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SrkSano



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:31 am Reply with quote
Wish the list included Full Frontal since he's the only physical Char Clone. But the rest of my favorite Chars were mentioned so it was a good read all the same. Great job!
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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:34 am Reply with quote
Kinda cheating to have OG Char on the list thrice.

Wouldn't really include Jamil either, since he combines Quattro, Amuro, and Bright.

Rau is my personal favourite. He's a pretty cool customer for most of the series but becomes considerably more entertaining when he goes on anti-humanity rants. Both his English and Japanese voice actors really sell it.

On top of that, he's completely right in what he says about humanity. Not even Kira can think of good counter arguments and can only rebut him with a pathetic "No, you're wrong! It's not true!"

I love how with Tatsuya and McGillis the protagonists see through their disguises instantly.
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LightningZangetsu27



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:39 am Reply with quote
Mr Bushido?? Neo Roanoake?? i presume they are MIA. Char is the foundation for all the other masked characters but Gundam has been suffering from bad scripts since SEED to be very nice, without having to dip into UC timeline.
00 had all the characters in place for a good series but that was mess.
IOB has the worst mech designs I've ever seen.
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Nyren



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:40 am Reply with quote
McGillis is definitely my favorite Char clone to date. He just matched what Char is to a T, just like you said. He's also very well written and that makes him all the more compelling. I can't wait to see where season two takes him.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:43 am Reply with quote
I hope McGillis wins, it would be a nice change of pace, plus he didn't do anything really bad yet. If I had to guess, I'd says Orga will turn out to be the more Char like character in IBO once its all done.

Otherwise, more than Char and his many clones, I like his suits better. The Sazabi is such a work of art, I just brought the MG kit and I can't wait to build it (the box is huge!). Even the no red one, like the tallgeese are awesome.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:48 am Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:


On top of that, he's completely right in what he says about humanity. Not even Kira can think of good counter arguments and can only rebut him with a pathetic "No, you're wrong! It's not true!"

I love how with Tatsuya and McGillis the protagonists see through their disguises instantly.


I'm pretty sure Kira actually said "Even if the world is full of sinner, I will still protect it!" as in such certain finale he saw Athrun and Cagalli close to the battle.

Also, no Fullfrontral? I think he is even more mature than Char from Char's Counterattack who was an insult to all his character development from 100 episodes.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:55 am Reply with quote
Nice list. I don't feel the need to comment on the picks since they're all fine and good. Almost every Gundam series tends to have an interesting or at least relatively unique take on how to adapt the general "Char Aznable" concept into something suitable for its own purposes.

However, given that we're including a number of personalities who aren't necessarily playing the role of antagonists all the time and also acknowledging that Char-style characters aren't exclusive to Gundam as a property, I would say Lelouch from Code Geass counts too.

There's a surprising amount of Lelouch-Char parallels and references yet I'll only focus on the more obvious ones here. While the guy does exist within a fictional universe that is visibly sillier and more over-the-top than the average Gundam production (except for G), there is still a mix of shared personal charisma, fabulous taste in masks, lofty goals and the ability to trick or manipulate others for his own gain. Just trading piloting skills for magical powers (admitting Newtypes and their ilk can also be considered as indirect precedents for that).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:23 pm Reply with quote
SrkSano wrote:
Wish the list included Full Frontal since he's the only physical Char Clone.


I haven't watched UC since it first came out but isn't he only a clone in the traditional sense in the original novel? From what I remember of the anime, spoiler[it's implied that he was basically a no-name ace before he became Full Frontal, with the later happening because he'd been implanted with memories and altered to look like Char.]

While it isn't that well known in English circles, mainly because it's obscure to begin with and so far disconnected from UC Gundam's time frame, there is Gaia Gear too. spoiler[Afranche is a literal flesh-and-blood clone of Char.]

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Rau justifies a lot of his bad behavior on the fact that he isn't an organic human, but a clone—and you and I know that the meta implication here is astounding.


Rau's probably the best part of SEED imo, especially the later portions. The really sad thing, though kind of hilarious in retrospect, is how right Rau is about the Cosmic Era's problems (especially with what comes after in Destiny) and how nobody, especially Kira, can argue them.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:24 pm Reply with quote
Full Frontal would have been nice to see him as an honorable mention at least but solid list none the less.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:34 pm Reply with quote
I'll echo the love for Full Frontal, if only because of his perfect "Trust me, it doesn't sound as silly in Japan" name
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Nyren



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:43 pm Reply with quote
Lynx Amali wrote:
SrkSano wrote:
Wish the list included Full Frontal since he's the only physical Char Clone.


I haven't watched UC since it first came out but isn't he only a clone in the traditional sense in the original novel? From what I remember of the anime, spoiler[it's implied that he was basically a no-name ace before he became Full Frontal, with the later happening because he'd been implanted with memories and altered to look like Char.]

While it isn't that well known in English circles, mainly because it's obscure to begin with and so far disconnected from UC Gundam's time frame, there is Gaia Gear too. spoiler[Afranche is a literal flesh-and-blood clone of Char.]

Article wrote:
Rau justifies a lot of his bad behavior on the fact that he isn't an organic human, but a clone—and you and I know that the meta implication here is astounding.


Rau's probably the best part of SEED imo, especially the later portions. The really sad thing, though kind of hilarious in retrospect, is how right Rau is about the Cosmic Era's problems (especially with what comes after in Destiny) and how nobody, especially Kira, can argue them.
According to the Gundam wiki spoiler[Full Frontal is actually Char Aznable. However, during the Axis event in 0093, his soul split in two. One half, the part of him that wanted to drop Axis onto Earth for the preservation of the Earth and mankind, died and passed on. However, another part of him refused to die, but that part was incomplete without the other half and resulted in Full Frontal, a man who isn't sure if he really is Char or merely a clone of him. He has vague memories of Char, but can't tell if they're real(These memories being from the other half that passed on.). At the end of Unicorn, during the second event, Full Frontal comes face to face with his other half, Amuro, and Lalah, and consents to finally move on and leave the world to the new generation as the time of Char and Amuro was over.]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:53 pm Reply with quote
Nyren wrote:
Lynx Amali wrote:
SrkSano wrote:
Wish the list included Full Frontal since he's the only physical Char Clone.


I haven't watched UC since it first came out but isn't he only a clone in the traditional sense in the original novel? From what I remember of the anime, spoiler[it's implied that he was basically a no-name ace before he became Full Frontal, with the later happening because he'd been implanted with memories and altered to look like Char.]

While it isn't that well known in English circles, mainly because it's obscure to begin with and so far disconnected from UC Gundam's time frame, there is Gaia Gear too. spoiler[Afranche is a literal flesh-and-blood clone of Char.]

Article wrote:
Rau justifies a lot of his bad behavior on the fact that he isn't an organic human, but a clone—and you and I know that the meta implication here is astounding.


Rau's probably the best part of SEED imo, especially the later portions. The really sad thing, though kind of hilarious in retrospect, is how right Rau is about the Cosmic Era's problems (especially with what comes after in Destiny) and how nobody, especially Kira, can argue them.
According to the Gundam wiki spoiler[Full Frontal is actually Char Aznable. However, during the Axis event in 0093, his soul split in two. One half, the part of him that wanted to drop Axis onto Earth for the preservation of the Earth and mankind, died and passed on. However, another part of him refused to die, but that part was incomplete without the other half and resulted in Full Frontal, a man who isn't sure if he really is Char or merely a clone of him. He has vague memories of Char, but can't tell if they're real(These memories being from the other half that passed on.). At the end of Unicorn, during the second event, Full Frontal comes face to face with his other half, Amuro, and Lalah, and consents to finally move on and leave the world to the new generation as the time of Char and Amuro was over.]




And people say UC is the most legit timeline
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meiam



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:02 pm Reply with quote
tintor2 wrote:

And people say UC is the most legit timeline


Yeah the mystical aspect of gundam is really my least favorite part of it (I actually I outright dislike it), and one I'm glad is becoming less important over the various series. Wing had none, seed very little (and they weren't important) and IBO has none for the moment. Of course that doesn't mean much since 00 had none in the first season but went way overboard with them in S2.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:53 pm Reply with quote
As others have said, this list is in dire need of Mr. Bushido, Neo Roanoke, and Full Frontal. I'd probably also add Lady Kawaguchi, since she's the franchise's first "distaff" Char clone.

Otherwise, great list/article. It's always nice to see more Gundam stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:55 pm Reply with quote
G Gundam was notable in that, although it departed from the Gundam formula more strongly than any other series, it actually had TWO Char clones. Schwartz was the spoiler[mysterious antagonist who turns out to be a good guy in the end,] and then there was spoiler[Major Ulube, an apparent heroic mentor who turns out to be the main villain in the end. Ulube wears a mask over half his face, so you'd think he'd come off as instantly suspicious, but G Gundam is so full of over-the-top characters (plus Schwartz as a much flashier masked guy) that Ulube almost feels boring, and it's easy to forget he exists for most of the show. This seems like this was the writers' intention, because once Ulube reveals his true colors, it blindsides you, but in a funny way. "Oh hey I remember that guy from 20 episodes ago. What was his name agai-OH GOD HE'S KILLING EVERYONE." ]
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