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REVIEW: The Vision Of Escaflowne BD+DVD


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:43 am Reply with quote
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Escaflowne was infamously cut from a projected 39-episode runtime to 26 episodes not long into production, forcing the already notoriously ambitious Shoji Kawamori to condense the show's second half without losing any important information.

I'd never actually heard this before, but this does explain why I've always thought that the second half seemed a bit rushed compared to the first half.

I've always considered this one an outlier as '90s fantasy series go since it had so little stylistic or content influence given how popular it was. (I suppose the one place it may have had influence is in popularizing the notion of fantasy mecha, as I can definitely recall fantasy series with mecha coming out later in the '90s but not earlier.) It's also one of the very rare series of any type to specifically blend shonen and shojo stylistic elements. Never thought about its role as a career kick-starter for so many people, even though I always knew it was Kanno's first major work (I've had the CD for the OST for over a decade now), so that was definitely an interesting perspective.

Unlike a lot of people, I was always a fan of the original English dub, so now I'm very curious to see for myself how the new one stacks up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:01 am Reply with quote
As it happens, I watched this title for the first time (via the old Perfect Collection) recently and loved it. Did not know it was originally slated for 39 eppies. Now I'm bummed. I would LOVED to have seen that longer version. I'll definitely be getting the Funi Blu-ray/DVD standard edition at some point. I checked out a bit of the first episode on the Funi site and was impressed with the visual quality. I didn't hear much of the new dub, but my God, anybody's version of Dilandau has to be better than that "Canadian boy's." I'll use the subs for my first rewatch - looking forward to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:38 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
(I suppose the one place it may have had influence is in popularizing the notion of fantasy mecha, as I can definitely recall fantasy series with mecha coming out later in the '90s but not earlier.)

Magical Knight Rayearth came out in 1994, two years before Escaflowne.
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I also didn't know that Escaflowne was originally planned for 39 episodes, though now that does explain why it felt like it was sort of pushing to make it to the finish line. Then again, each episode felt like it moved the plot forward meaningfully, so it didn't exactly feel rushed.

Watching the Japanese interviews was interesting considering how many prominent people were involved either early on, or at the very start, of their careers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:50 am Reply with quote
I watched the first episode of the dub and cringed at some butchered name pronunciations, and gave up at that point. Maybe I will have to give it another chance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:24 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
As it happens, I watched this title for the first time (via the old Perfect Collection) recently and loved it. Did not know it was originally slated for 39 eppies. Now I'm bummed. I would LOVED to have seen that longer version. I'll definitely be getting the Funi Blu-ray/DVD standard edition at some point. I checked out a bit of the first episode on the Funi site and was impressed with the visual quality. I didn't hear much of the new dub, but my God, anybody's version of Dilandau has to be better than that "Canadian boy's." I'll use the subs for my first rewatch - looking forward to it.


Actually, I loved that "Canadian boy's " version!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:33 pm Reply with quote
Good review. I still haven't picked up the Escaflowne sets, but then again my anime purchases practically have slowed down to a crawl lately. I'll get around to it eventually!

For the record, the infamous rumor about the 39 episodes was dismissed by the director himself during an Otakon panel after the Kickstarter:

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I heard Escaflowne was originally supposed to be 39 episodes long, and was cut down just before the production by Sunrise to run for 26 episodes. I’m wondering what differences would there have been if you had been able to do the original full 39 episodes version? What would it have expanded on, and what was there not time to cover in the 26 episodes, and so forth?

I’m not quite sure where you got your information because as far as I know, it was always supposed to be 26 episodes, and in fact we planned it out very carefully. Honestly, it was so much work that went into the series that if we had started out with more stories, I think we might have had some casualties among the staff.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/funimationprod/the-vision-of-escaflowne-a-new-hd-dub-for-the-clas/posts/1674275


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:36 pm Reply with quote
*shakes head sadly*

Oh, rinmackie, rinmackie, rinmackie...

...how long have you been insane? Wink

I kid, of course. My beef with the Canadian performance (and I am Canadian, by the way) is that Dilandau the character is supposed to be dangerously insane. Unfortunately, the that actor was just too young and his voice too high and thin to bring that off, imo. Dilandau should be menacing and the voice work just didn't convey that to me.

Ooooooh, I hope that is true that it was never supposed to be 39 episodes. I feel way less ripped off. I can pull Escaflowne from the "What Might Have Been..." file that currently holds Firefly, Undeclared, Freaks & Geeks and My So-Called Life (all of which had far shorter existences than they should have).
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the main feature of this release is Funimation's new English dub, which became a necessity since the director's cut of Escaflowne
It totals around 7 and a half minutes, and it isn't even important footage.
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Funimation's dub blows not only the old Ocean Group dub away in comparison, it stands as one of the most surprisingly natural-sounding and charmingly earthy dubs Funi has put out in many years.
The Occean dub wasn't perfect, and had some issues with translation, but it was a well performed dub and VAs portrayed their characters well. The Funimation dub wasn't that good, it wasn't bad, it just didn't deliver, Aaron Dismuke did not live up to Kirby Morrow, Hitomi was another sore spot with the dub.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:51 pm Reply with quote
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Escaflowne was infamously cut from a projected 39-episode runtime to 26 episodes not long into production, forcing the already notoriously ambitious Shoji Kawamori to condense the show's second half without losing any important information.


At Otakon last year, director Kazuki Akane was asked about this, and he said that it wasn't true, and the show was always planned for 26 episodes.

I don't know where this info came from in that case, since I've heard it many times before myself, and obviously believed it until Akane said it wasn't so.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:54 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, that's the internet for you. Somebody writes something and somehow it becomes gospel. Mind you, I hate to be cynical, but the director could be lying. There may be a political reason to claim it was always going to be 26 episodes. I'm not saying he is lying, I'm just pointing out that you can't always take everything at face value when anime types are speaking publicly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:22 pm Reply with quote
jroa wrote:
For the record, the infamous rumor about the 39 episodes was dismissed by the director himself during an Otakon panel after the Kickstarter:

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I heard Escaflowne was originally supposed to be 39 episodes long, and was cut down just before the production by Sunrise to run for 26 episodes. I’m wondering what differences would there have been if you had been able to do the original full 39 episodes version? What would it have expanded on, and what was there not time to cover in the 26 episodes, and so forth?

I’m not quite sure where you got your information because as far as I know, it was always supposed to be 26 episodes, and in fact we planned it out very carefully. Honestly, it was so much work that went into the series that if we had started out with more stories, I think we might have had some casualties among the staff.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/funimationprod/the-vision-of-escaflowne-a-new-hd-dub-for-the-clas/posts/1674275
I remember that too. I'd heard the rumor it was originally supposed to run for an extra cour myself, but the most reliable source for that I could find was along the lines of someone saying someone they knew knew someone who knew Japanese who read that in an article or interview. it sounded plausible enough to sound true, but still nothing to back it up.

given that I'd take the word of the director as truth given it's straight from the horse's mouth and not something unsourced that could have just been an unfounded rumor or someone who wasn't fluent in reading Japanese misunderstanding something, passing on that misunderstanding, and it getting garbled along the way the way things do in a game of telephone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:37 pm Reply with quote
Personally, my guess is that the whole "It was originally planned to be 39 episodes" rumor was likely what was planned back when Escaflowne was originally going to be more of an action-packed show & Yasuhiro Imagawa was on board to direct. This was a few years before real production on the show started, though, so it's likely that by the time Kazuki Akane was brought in to replace Imagawa (who decided to do G Gundam, instead) & make it more of a shojo series instead it was reduced down to 26 episodes. That would both explain where the rumor possibly came from, as well as why (to his own knowledge) Akane only knew of it as a 26-episode series.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:58 pm Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
Magical Knight Rayearth came out in 1994, two years before Escaflowne.


Yoshiyuki Tomino's Aura Battler Dunbine came out even earlier, in 1983.
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After having completed the new dub through binge-watching a couple weeks ago, I can honestly it was a very enjoyable trip though Gaia again, and getting through the whole thing this time around felt great. I loved the new cast overall and I had nothing to fear regarding Chuck Hunter voicing Jakuka after all; he did a damn fine job of it in the series and the movie. I always hold the Ocean crew dear to my memories for first voicing the show and movie in English, but it would be criminal to say Funimation didn't do a good enough job here; they did an outstanding job.

For anyone else who's seen the whole thing too, can someone tell me if spoiler[Jajuka actually died before telling Dilandau to go back to being the way "he" was supposed to be]? It was hard to tell.


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