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KH91
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 Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:05 pm
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Damn. That just looked and sounded so good.
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Kon'Doriano
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:42 pm
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All aboard the hype train! This is easily my most anticipating title of this Summer season so far. The staff, the premise, and this trailer alone is more than enough to for me to give this show a chance. I cannot wait and I hope it does not disappoint.
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Niello
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:23 am
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I am still really sceptical. This doesn't look as good as should be capable of considering the source material. The adaptation of the character designs isn't good as it could be, and judging from the manga art, they could make it looks much better, even while being more faithful to the manga without needing to add more details.
I also still don't trust the director after how bad he messed with Amatsuki. Besides, why is there a need to change the logo again? And unlike with Amatsuki where it at least make sense that he made the logo more Japanese-looking, due to the entire exclusion of the sci-fi subplot from the manga. In this case the aesthetic of the logo is honestly much worse than the orginal. Don't even get me start on the awful colour choice.
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archenteron
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:09 am
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Shoukoku no Altair is popular in Japan for its unique harmony of flamboyant style and unique characters who weave complexity into the plot. By not respecting this, they will lose the chance to earn a lot of money and popularity.
It looks like they've pooled a lot into its budget, but they allocated the money to the wrong areas. Taking money from the character design department and putting it into a big name director who's head is still stuck in his '90s glory days was a huge mistake. Shoukoku would have succeeded regardless of director ability due to the sheer strength of the source material in both story and design. Putting Kanno Toshiyuki, a guy with very limited experience in this area, into character design for a series made famous for its atypical and expressive characters is a poor choice.
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Thorfinn
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:02 am
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What the heck are you two guys above me talking about? Do you realize how difficult the Altair designs work in animation? You obviously don't. They legit did the best job they could, I thought they would mess up, but they didn't. It's impossible for the characters to look exactly like in the manga, it can't be animated, the fact that they went with the guy that did the Garo S1 designs really shows that they knew what they were doing, since the first season of Garo has fairly similar desings to Altair when it comes to anatomy and proportions. And what does Amatsuki have to do with anything, you can't just blame the director for everything, sorry, plus that came out in 2008. As I said above, the Character designer they picked totally makes sense, since the designs are very similar to those of Garo S1. I think you expect too much out of this, no matter how good it will look, people will always say that the manga looks better, well, let me tell you something, the manga is the manga and the anime is the anime, animation has so much more complexity going on and I'm sorry to tell you, but it's impossible to make a series look exactly like the manga. And you literally don't have any clue what you're saying about the fact that they aren't putting money in the right areas, how the heck do you know that, lol.
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donhumberto
Joined: 19 Jan 2017
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:30 am
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By far my most anticipated series of the year. The pv looks and sounds GORGEOUS, and two cours, hell yeah! God bless Mappa (they sure as hell are going to be busy this year, but I know they can pull it off)
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Ajc228
Joined: 29 Dec 2015
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:56 am
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After reading the synopsis and watching the trailer, it reminds me of Arslan Senki. It appears to be a mix of political intrigue and battles. Is this an accurate assessment?
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TichoSlicer
Joined: 26 Feb 2017
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:10 pm
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| Ajc228 wrote: | | After reading the synopsis and watching the trailer, it reminds me of Arslan Senki. It appears to be a mix of political intrigue and battles. Is this an accurate assessment? |
yeah, but he is not a prince and, imo, this is better than Arslan...
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Ajc228
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:49 pm
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| archenteron wrote: | | Shoukoku no Altair is popular in Japan for its unique harmony of flamboyant style and unique characters who weave complexity into the plot. By not respecting this, they will lose the chance to earn a lot of money and popularity.
It looks like they've pooled a lot into its budget, but they allocated the money to the wrong areas. Taking money from the character design department and putting it into a big name director who's head is still stuck in his '90s glory days was a huge mistake. Shoukoku would have succeeded regardless of director ability due to the sheer strength of the source material in both story and design. Putting Kanno Toshiyuki, a guy with very limited experience in this area, into character design for a series made famous for its atypical and expressive characters is a poor choice. |
Yes, I'm sure notable directors command a a higher rate but I don't think that means they take whoever they can get to do character designs. Character designer is a fairly prominent position. Translating designs from comics to animation is a skill that sometimes requires simplifying complex designs to make it more practical for depicting motion. To be honest, it's a bit hard to know how money is allocated in any given budget.It's an area that needs more research before these kind of assertions. It's also important to note that while a budget is of some importance, it is not always indicative of animation quality. The quality of the animation is dependent upon many factors. Some of the most important being the amount of time staff has and proper scheduling. Personally, I think the designs look great.
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Niello
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:25 pm
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| Thorfinn wrote: | | What the heck are you two guys above me talking about? Do you realize how difficult the Altair designs work in animation? You obviously don't. They legit did the best job they could, I thought they would mess up, but they didn't. It's impossible for the characters to look exactly like in the manga, it can't be animated, the fact that they went with the guy that did the Garo S1 designs really shows that they knew what they were doing, since the first season of Garo has fairly similar desings to Altair when it comes to anatomy and proportions. And what does Amatsuki have to do with anything, you can't just blame the director for everything, sorry, plus that came out in 2008. As I said above, the Character designer they picked totally makes sense, since the designs are very similar to those of Garo S1. I think you expect too much out of this, no matter how good it will look, people will always say that the manga looks better, well, let me tell you something, the manga is the manga and the anime is the anime, animation has so much more complexity going on and I'm sorry to tell you, but it's impossible to make a series look exactly like the manga. And you literally don't have any clue what you're saying about the fact that they aren't putting money in the right areas, how the heck do you know that, lol. |
I know that the design in the manga is complicated, but its adaptation really honestly could be better. As I mentioned before, it's not a matter of adding more details to the characters to match the manga. It's a matter of the design and the art style they went for. If you actually read the manga before and you are familar with characters and the manga art it'll be more obvious. Also, I'm not saying all the character designs turned out bad, but to me some of them are, and the most noticable is Mahmut, which is a problem. Besides, why are you using Garo as an example? that one is original and didn't require adaptation from another source. So, no, it doesn't show that he knows what he's doing. Not to mention that they aren't actually similar.
Just because I'm critical of something doesn't mean that I don't know about it. From his other works, I'm not a fan of this director, simple as that, and I used Amatsuki as an example for why. I'm not implying that he will do something with the story direction like with Amatsuki, but there are certainly some parallels of dubious choices, and the logo is an example of this (what, did you really think a director doesn't have something to do with the change in logo? You think someone else approved it?), and if I have to add something else, the art direction in that show also wasn't good.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:20 pm
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Well now, an anime based on a historical fantasy manga about my parents' homeland, is it? I must have missed the announcement on this.
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