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v1cious
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 Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:24 pm
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See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that.
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Lord Vaultman
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:05 am
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| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
What the hell do you mean by them not listening?
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BlackPoint.
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:17 am
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| Lord Vaultman wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
What the hell do you mean by them not listening? |
He probably means waiting 4years with the sequel of AoT if they made it a year or 2 perhaps earlier it would sold surely much more while now its not even selling 10k~ while 1st season sold like around 40~50k per volume...
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CrowLia
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:17 am
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| Lord Vaultman wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
What the hell do you mean by them not listening? |
I suppose "taking so long to make a Titan sequel and delaying it even further with Araki's Zombie Train AU"
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Lord Vaultman
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:30 am
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| CrowLia wrote: |
| Lord Vaultman wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
What the hell do you mean by them not listening? |
I suppose "taking so long to make a Titan sequel and delaying it even further with Araki's Zombie Train AU" |
I mean that wasnt their fault though. The manga author didn't want content getting too close to the manga.
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:34 am
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| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
Said as if the animation studio is the lone factor in this and if they want to do it, they don't need permission from the author or other members of the production committee. They can force everyone to approve and pay up on demand.
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FlowerAiko
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:35 am
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| BlackPoint. wrote: |
| Lord Vaultman wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
What the hell do you mean by them not listening? |
He probably means waiting 4years with the sequel of AoT if they made it a year or 2 perhaps earlier it would sold surely much more while now its not even selling 10k~ while 1st season sold like around 40~50k per volume... |
Yup, the distance totally murdered AoTs sales. I saw more people talking about the My Hero Academia sequel than AoT last season, which was honestly pretty surprising...
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:59 am
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| FlowerAiko wrote: | | Yup, the distance totally murdered AoTs sales. I saw more people talking about the My Hero Academia sequel than AoT last season, which was honestly pretty surprising... |
Isn't that show a smash hit? You make it sound like AoT2 got beat by some small time show nobody ever heard of.
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bigivel
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:33 pm
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| Mr. sickVisionz wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: | | See what happens when you don't listen, Wit? Ancient Magus Bride better be a hit, because they put a lot of time into that. |
Said as if the animation studio is the lone factor in this and if they want to do it, they don't need permission from the author or other members of the production committee. They can force everyone to approve and pay up on demand. |
They don't need permission from the author, because they already had it, since the 1st season.
The Production Committee are the biggest losers in this bad decision, I don't think that they were against doing the anime earlier, specially given the 50k copies sold per volume. If it was a less popular series I would understand them not giving the greenlit sooner, but with Attach on Titan?
It was said by the owner of Studio Wit that the reason it took so much was because of the schedule, that they were full, not the production committee.
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:09 pm
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yeah, normally it would not be wit studio's fault, but in this specific case the cause of the delay was strongly hinted to be (not said outright because how japanese companies work) because wit studio gave preferrence to the AoT fanfic instead of the original one. kind of how key wanted kyoani to make more of their novels but kyoani would nto budge anymore.
just because the studio normally can't choose which shows to animate it does not mean that they are competey without options, sometimes they can choose between multiple possible projects.
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relyat08
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:06 pm
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| Mr. sickVisionz wrote: |
| FlowerAiko wrote: | | Yup, the distance totally murdered AoTs sales. I saw more people talking about the My Hero Academia sequel than AoT last season, which was honestly pretty surprising... |
Isn't that show a smash hit? You make it sound like AoT2 got beat by some small time show nobody ever heard of. |
For the record, AoT still has higher sales and higher streaming numbers than MHA by a pretty significant margin, so all of the people touting how MHA is besting AoT are wrong. It's not on the same level at all yet.
Also, WIT was likely not in a position to say when AoT2 was coming really at all.
Lastly, and probably most importantly, Attack on Titan was still airing when this report was compiled and the physical releases had NOT EVEN COME OUT YET. So, chances are good WIT would've been significantly in the black had that actually happened. That being said, because of how production committees work, I have no idea how much money WIT would ever be getting from AoT anyway. From what I've read, not very much, so naturally, they have just as much stake in the property as any other project they work on as a contractor.
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bigivel
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:29 pm
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| relyat08 wrote: |
| Mr. sickVisionz wrote: |
| FlowerAiko wrote: | | Yup, the distance totally murdered AoTs sales. I saw more people talking about the My Hero Academia sequel than AoT last season, which was honestly pretty surprising... |
Isn't that show a smash hit? You make it sound like AoT2 got beat by some small time show nobody ever heard of. |
For the record, AoT still has higher sales and higher streaming numbers than MHA by a pretty significant margin, so all of the people touting how MHA is besting AoT are wrong. It's not on the same level at all yet.
Also, WIT was likely not in a position to say when AoT2 was coming really at all.
Lastly, and probably most importantly, Attack on Titan was still airing when this report was compiled and the physical releases had NOT EVEN COME OUT YET. So, chances are good WIT would've been significantly in the black had that actually happened. That being said, because of how production committees work, I have no idea how much money WIT would ever be getting from AoT anyway. From what I've read, not very much, so naturally, they have just as much stake in the property as any other project they work on as a contractor. |
I can be wrong, but I believe that Wit is part of the production committee of Attack on Titan.
And Yep, unless they got their money upfront, this report doesn't account Attack on Titan sales. Still given Attack on Titan S2 performance, it will not change things much. Maybe will provide them some profit instead of loses, but certainly not much.
Also a studio must and should be able to end the year with earnings at least and normally earning more than the previous year. So this shows that Wit studio is in a bad place regardless of Attack on Titan.
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relyat08
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:47 pm
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Yes, a company should ideally be making money every year. However, blaming WIT's "poor performance" on their handling of the AoT franchise is misguided.
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dtp98
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:53 pm
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Looking at these sales numbers has me wondering what XEBEC of all companies is doing right for their sales to be the 2nd highest. From what I've seen most of their biggest titles recently, including BanG Dream, Clockwork Planet, didn't do all that well. Maybe it's their increased output?
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ofpveteran73
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:05 pm
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Production I.G. is usually the company that is on the Production Committee of some of its sister companies works like Attack on Titan, Space Battleship 2199, Napping Princess, or the upcoming Ancient Magus Bride. Production I.G. has also started dabbling in producing Live-Action stuff as they've helped produce the last couple live-action projects of Mamoru Oshii and Katsuyuki Motohiro.
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