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NEWS: Saskatchewan Anime Store Forced to Close Due to Ratings Stickers


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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:14 pm Reply with quote
Well that sucks.

It seems kinda odd that the provinces have the power to control ratings and not the national government.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:24 pm Reply with quote
Joe Mello wrote:
Well that sucks.

It seems kinda odd that the provinces have the power to control ratings and not the national government.


Similar to the United States, Canada is decentralised. Many "portfolios" fall to the provincial governments to handle.

Medicine and Education being the two most important tasks handled by provincial governments IMHO.

I'm not a fan of the decentralised system. Personally it creates a lot of wasted resources, redundancies, inconcistencies and red tape.

Of course, a more centralised system creates what american's call "big government" and I believe that concept is extremely unpopular in the States...

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appleturbo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:25 pm Reply with quote
that sucks. I hate to see stores closing, especially because of this BS.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:02 pm Reply with quote
All hail the all-mighty government, its regulations, and its greed for ever increasing sums of money, this time in the form of forcing them to purchase specific ratings stickers.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:06 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:

Of course, a more centralised system creates what american's call "big government" and I believe that concept is extremely unpopular in the States...

-t


No, a bunch of us "Patriotic God Fearing Americans whom feel our viewpoints are superior to others and we know best" support it in the form of the FCC.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:14 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:

I'm not a fan of the decentralised system. Personally it creates a lot of wasted resources, redundancies, inconcistencies and red tape.


Those ills unfortunately are afflictions of a central government as well. Believe me, no one has ever accused the US federal government of being efficient, consistent, or having an easy to navigate bureaucracy! Smile

tempest wrote:

Of course, a more centralised system creates what american's call "big government" and I believe that concept is extremely unpopular in the States...

That goes all the way back to the American Revolution. The revolution happened in large part because the Americans felt the central government in England was dictating to them without giving them any say in the matter. After the revolution, the states were a loose confederation of independent entities which was pretty chaotic and unworkable. They recognized this problem and out of this the US Constitution was born. It attempts to balance what the federal government can do versus what is reserved for the states. Its been a see-saw battle ever since.

But, back on topic, why can't the province just have a big "This title is Unrated, so buyer beware" type sticker? Then, people could just decide for themselves and parents would know to look closer at what was being bought by their kids.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:32 pm Reply with quote
The store's website is: http://www.tokyo7.com/

There's a forum here if you want to get in touch.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Abarenbo Shogun wrote:
tempest wrote:

Of course, a more centralised system creates what american's call "big government" and I believe that concept is extremely unpopular in the States...

-t


No, a bunch of us "Patriotic God Fearing Americans whom feel our viewpoints are superior to others and we know best" support it in the form of the FCC.


Although as a counterpoint, anime in the States doesn't really have a standard aside from the ones imposed by the distributor.

But yeah, TV has the FCC, Movies have the MPAA, Games have the ESRB (or ERSB, I forget which), and Music has the RIAA.

Centralization is good for some things, but not good for other things. It depends on the topic and who you talk to, but I digress.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:07 pm Reply with quote
This is why everyone says "Blame Canada!" http://blamecanadanow.ytmnd.com/ Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:29 pm Reply with quote
This is sucks realy bad. Why are they trying to close down a small buissnes. I say we should all buy whatever he has and help him out.

BTW, don't anime DVDs cary an age rating on them anyway. WTF is the problem then?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:44 pm Reply with quote
The shopkeeper claimed it was "too expensive" to comply and opted to be closed down. I'm certain this isn't the reason (Wink), but I'd imagine the provinces benefit monetarily from legally forcing people to label product using official stamps.

The local electorate should address these sorts of issues, but they won't. Who cares about a little shop that sells those silly foreign cartoon shows, anyway? Then again, most people have never heard the following:
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First they came for the communists, I did not speak out because I was not a communist.

When they came for the social democrats, I did not speak out because I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out because I was not a Jew;

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:52 pm Reply with quote
Phantom14 wrote:
This is sucks realy bad. Why are they trying to close down a small buissnes. I say we should all buy whatever he has and help him out.

BTW, don't anime DVDs cary an age rating on them anyway. WTF is the problem then?


Not all of them carry age ratings...infact I would only say about 30% of my collection has a rating on them. Most of them that I would consider has a rating say for "mature" audience.

The unrated one's that I have will state everything that is in the movie nudity, language but above all that it would state UNRATED as if it couldn't be judged (why I don't know, personally I think if it's nudity (not brief)automatically equals an R rating but companis I guess aren't thinking clearly enough to notice this. Or as a conspiracy theory, I would say most anime is bought let's say 65% by teenagers and younger (Please don't be offended older fans this I'm just estimating and don't know the actual number but pretty sure younger generations are a little bit more in it)...companies realising this decide that parents won't let them buy the dvd if the rating is R. And some stores I've been too won't let kids under 18 buy R rated Dvds without the consent of an adult. But that's just a conspiracy theory of mine.

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Then again, most people have never heard the following: Quote:
First they came for the communists, I did not speak out because I was not a communist.

When they came for the social democrats, I did not speak out because I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out because I was not a Jew;

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

I've heard of it. Poem from a pastor named Martin Niemoller... I would of thought alot of people would know it but I guess I can't assume so.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:57 pm Reply with quote
Joe Mello wrote:
Although as a counterpoint, anime in the States doesn't really have a standard aside from the ones imposed by the distributor.

But yeah, TV has the FCC, Movies have the MPAA, Games have the ESRB (or ERSB, I forget which), and Music has the RIAA.

Centralization is good for some things, but not good for other things. It depends on the topic and who you talk to, but I digress.


Fortunately all those, except the FCC, are private intities and not government ones. And even the FCC, as bad as it's become, is still not nearly as bad as it was back before it was largely deregulated in the 80's. I think it's a much better situation to have those industries censoring themselves than having the government do it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:03 pm Reply with quote
JELEINEN wrote:
Joe Mello wrote:
Although as a counterpoint, anime in the States doesn't really have a standard aside from the ones imposed by the distributor.

But yeah, TV has the FCC, Movies have the MPAA, Games have the ESRB (or ERSB, I forget which), and Music has the RIAA.

Centralization is good for some things, but not good for other things. It depends on the topic and who you talk to, but I digress.


Fortunately all those, except the FCC, are private intities and not government ones. And even the FCC, as bad as it's become, is still not nearly as bad as it was back before it was largely deregulated in the 80's. I think it's a much better situation to have those industries censoring themselves than having the government do it.


I don't know an industry saying you can't do this or that and with equal power to mine....I think I'd rather have government say so...But that's in my own opinion. ANd you're right it isn't as bad as before because lets see what's a good example...bed rooms...in shows wife and husbands had to have seperate beds because they didn't want anyone to have the SLIGHTEST clue of sex even if there were children that just suddenly came into the show...as far as they were concerned Stork brought them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:23 pm Reply with quote
Shwiggie wrote:
The shopkeeper claimed it was "too expensive" to comply and opted to be closed down. I'm certain this isn't the reason (;)), but I'd imagine the provinces benefit monetarily from legally forcing people to label product using official stamps.

I don't know about that. The tiny amount of money generated by selling a bunch of stickers definitely doesn't sound like that big of a deal. I'm sure the government doesn't actually sell them themselves anyway. What it more likely is is interest groups that would spaz out if they found out kids had unrestricted access to potentially "questionable material". I have no idea what Canada's equivalent would be, but something like Focus on the Family or one of those Tipper Gore-inspired groups would do stuff like that in the US.
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