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chronos02
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I wonder what websites they are going to block access to, since, as far as I know, there are no "RAW" readers, and most "RAW" content is circulated through PD and similar P2P programs, unles they're looking to block Tazmo's stuff, which would be very welcome, though the move will proove useless since blocking a website means pretty much nothing, safe to tell the authorities that you're making an effort to prevent the unauthorised copying of your copyrighted material, eventhough, again, it's a fruitless endeavor.
As always, the only solution to the problem would be a service like Netflix, CR, etc. Instant and easy access to all the manga library with a monthly sub, and without having to pay 10 different services to get all the manga you want. Until this is achieved, and unless they turn the world into a big brother kind of place, manga pirating will not be stopped. |
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ximpalullaorg
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The usual argument: "illegal downloads = lost sales" which has no basis.
I personally don't use such sites, but I'd agree to get stuff digitally only and only if it's DRM-free. |
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sputn1k
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You can actually extrapolate how many more sales you could have had in a specific time frame, if you measure how many more sales or customer signups you have on your service after a larger pirate site offering your content was shut down. Let's say, you have a considerably larger amount of sales or customers post-shutdown, you can fairly safely assume that you could have had more sales and customers prior to the shutdown of the pirate service. It's not that hard to calculate how much revenue you could have generated in the absence of the pirate site. |
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mierin
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Actually... there is one site I know of which is kind of like the manga aggregator site most people here are familiar with, posting all manga in Japanese.. with online reader, even got some magazine scans there too. And the site is completely in Japanese.
The only reason I know it is because I stumbled across a news article (in Japanese) discussing about the site. Can't remember what the article was about though. Legality of what they're doing, I think. And I am not going to mention the name of the site here... |
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Lord of Fire
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You mean might have generated, because there is no guarantee whatsoever that if something sold X amount of copies in year 1 it will sell that same amount in year 2. If that were true, then all sequels to any franchise should sell just as good, if not better than the original. However, this rarely happens, and I can name various reasons of why this could be. For example, suppose you're reading a very popular manga. You've read all the chapters so far, and bought all the volumes that got released until now. Suddenly, the story takes a very sharp turn, and/or the author has done something to your favorite characters that you don't like, or even hate, Now, you want to be optimistic and think this may just be a one-time thing, so you shrug it off and buy the next volume, too. However, over time it becomes clear to you that this direction is here to stay, that you are losing interest fast, and even though it might pain you, you decide to stop buying more volumes. Now imagine if thousand more do that. Even if more people then start pirating that manga, would you then say it's the fault of piracy? How about if the manga suddenly becomes a lot more expensive, because it switched publisher and they want to make a higher profit, or because the retailer they sue is more expensive? That could also be an incentive for people to stop spending money and just get their stuff from pirate sites. Heck, some people may buy it again if the price drops. Also, why do I never hear them about piracy helping sales? Is it because it would then shatter their narrative about piracy being bad and that one should buy, regardless of the conditions? |
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Vee-Tee
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Wait. Tazmo is still around?? |
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chronos02
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I'm not sure if Tazmo him/herself is still around, but the websites he/she managed are still alive and kicking. |
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MarshalBanana
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Яeverse
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Why would digital manga become more expensive, theres numerous publishers and magazines (which are constantly being shut down), its unlikely or rather unreasonable to assume companies will raise prices in the current environment (laws against price fixing and monopolies exist in most developed nations). How would anyone prove or provide evidence that piracy is helping sales? With illegal content groups asking for donations to combat lost ad revenue and "rising server costs", it seems doubtful to assume that the majority of people accessing content on the illegal sites will truly heed the call to "support the manga when its available in their region," even more complicating things, if people are reading 50-250 series...most fans dont have the money/or desire to buy all these series... |
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Top Gun
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What was it Gaben said? "Piracy is a customer service problem"? Yeah, that.
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Zin5ki
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The fact that the aid of ISPs is being sought reminds me of the British government's decision to universally censor online adult content, a legislative act that has proven to be as efficacious as is timely.
(The implementation has already been delayed by half a year...) |
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SilverTalon01
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People who torrented did also buy things. The market just got flooded using a pricing model that priced people out of buying pretty much anything that wasn't an absolute favorite. That is why the publishers disappeared. They were putting a bunch of mediocre stuff out and asking for way more than it was worth. Not that I'm saying I've ever seen evidence that pirating legally available content has ever resulted in more sales. Anyway, this sounds like some dangerous overreach trying to use that exception to censor manga sites. The market should be left to fix its own problems barring interference by some foreign power, and privately run websites don't really fall under that. |
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Thorfinn
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Maybe they should provide better digital services instead.
"September 2017 and February, piracy has inflicted an estimated amount of more than 400 billion yen (about US$3.72 billion) worth of damage to copyright holders in Japan. " Where did they pull these numbers from? Their ass, haha. I do import Japanese manga all the time. People in Japan have small living spaces so I can see why they would buy less physical manga with time and the digital market is growing a lot, but it has its issues. And not every manga is worth buying, I only buy the things I truly enjoy, so I can't blame people for pirating if they consider something isn't worth the money. As long as DRM is bundled together with digital purchases, I won't spend a penny on that shit. Download to own or piss off. |
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Kougeru
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"CODA: piracy inflicted 400 billion yen worth of damage to Japanese copyright holders from September-February"
there's literally zero evidence for this and it's literally impossible to ever prove. It's all an assumption. This is why net neutrality needs be law world wide. If they can block this, they can block anything else they want. It's a terrible precedent. |
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H. Guderian
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I chose to spend all my money on Anime discs and collectibles. I have neither the time nor shelf space for manga as well. However, once every few years I peek at some manga and often it becomes an anime and since I knew of it I'd support it down the line.
All this is going to do is help 'hide' manga that I might eventually buy further down the pipeline. |
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