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NEWS: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Switch Game Adds Simon, Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus, King K. Rool


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residentgrigo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:22 am Reply with quote
Only if Castlevania still existed as a franchise... ah Konami. Bloodstained and the Netflix show it is then.

Mortal Kombat: Armageddon had 63 playable characters and played like a mess due to that. I wonder how this game will try to handle that. This trailer alone had Simon and Richtor as separate characters.
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prime_pm



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:03 am Reply with quote
Sadly it was too late for Nintendo when they realized they licensed Andy Richter instead.
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WANNFH



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:08 am Reply with quote
residentgrigo wrote:
This trailer alone had Simon and Richtor as separate characters.
Easy - they are characters with the same combat mechanics, but with different animation set. Think about them as the evolution of swap palettes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:17 am Reply with quote
WANNFH wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
This trailer alone had Simon and Richtor as separate characters.
Easy - they are characters with the same combat mechanics, but with different animation set. Think about them as the evolution of swap palettes.


Exactly. A number of those characters are called shadow characters. They have the same moves, but different stats and animation. So (just for example) SImon might be slow, but can take and inflict a lot of damage; while Richter is more balanced.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Xavon wrote:
WANNFH wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
This trailer alone had Simon and Richtor as separate characters.
Easy - they are characters with the same combat mechanics, but with different animation set. Think about them as the evolution of swap palettes.


Exactly. A number of those characters are called shadow characters. They have the same moves, but different stats and animation. So (just for example) SImon might be slow, but can take and inflict a lot of damage; while Richter is more balanced.


Actually Smash has there own term for cloned fighters Echo fighters Simon and Richter is an example of a Echo so are Peach and Daisy.
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AiddonValentine



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:14 pm Reply with quote
Nintendo, once again making everyone else look like amateurs. Simon was good enough, but then bringing in Richter, Chrom (wonder what this means for Robin's Final Smash?), Dark Samus, and King K. Rool was nuclear. And they STILL have more stuff to reveal! Sakurai is crazy
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SolHerald



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 pm Reply with quote
I'm glad we are finally getting Simon and K. Rool. I only need another character for F-Zero and I'll be happy. Also since Shovel Knight is in as an assist trophy, I hope they will put in Shantae as well.
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doctordoom85



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:36 pm Reply with quote
King K Rool is awesome, and though I've never gotten into Castlevania, Simon looks fun to play. Kinda bummed that Shovel Knight and Krystal are just assist trophies, it's not surprising at all but still disappointing.
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Joshua Zarate



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:42 pm Reply with quote
The King DeDeDe troll in the King K. Rool trailer had me laughing quite a bit. That was so Sakurai and yet, I never saw it coming. Laughing Seeing K. Rool’s final smash involving the blaster from his island makes me glad to see Nintendo remembering DK 64 besides the rap song. Looking forward to trying him out when the game is released.
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Heishi



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:58 pm Reply with quote
Simon being in Super Smash Bros. is one of the greatest things to ever happen to me. :')
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LightningCount



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:45 pm Reply with quote
It's understandable to an extent, but I think a lot of newer gamers don't realize how big a deal Simon in particular is, and how fitting it is for Smash. When they made a cartoon about Nintendo games back in the late '80s/early '90s, it had Nintendo's staples like Mario in the main cast, but it also had two of the biggest names in video games that were often spoken in the same breath at the time: Mega Man and Simon Belmont. To have them all back together again is beautiful. I mean, to give you another example, Nintendo Power, Nintendo's original direct advertising vehicle, had Mario on issue #1's cover...and guess who was on issue #2? Simon Belmont!

There was a time when new Castlevania games were basically as big of a deal as a new Zelda or Metroid for Nintendo gamers. To be honest, speaking historically, Simon should have been in before Snake, Ryu, Bayonetta, or Cloud.

Simon being in (with all the amazing Castle Easter Eggs*) was already great enough. But then they went and put in Richter**, too. Amazing! (He's the hipper descendant of Simon, roughly 100 years later--possibly his great-grandson.) And that they chose iterations of both Simon and Richter's classic designs makes it even better. I imagine alternate colors will match other Belmonts, which is going to make it even cooler.

Nothing previously was quite enough to consider upgrading from Smash for Wii U, but this Castlevania stuff just changed that.

*They even have Carmilla's possessed mask from Castlevania II: Simon's Quest! I love how so much focused on the true core of Castlevania, because the brand really needs to reestablish itself.

**If you're familiar with say, Gundam, Simon would be considered the Amuro Ray of Castlevania in terms of iconography, and Richter would be the Heero Yuy.

Speaking of which, the E3 "rumors/leaks" related to Simon in Smash (and other "rumors/leaks" that have already proven true about Smash and PS4's Resident Evil 2 Remake) stated that there were new Castlevania projects in the works, possibly related to Switch. So, this could be the tip of the iceberg!

As a final thought, as someone said above, nice to get a DK64 nod, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:06 pm Reply with quote
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Monster Hunter's will be the game series' first character that will be both a boss and assist trophy.


There's a typo in this sentence. The name of the character is missing.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:30 pm Reply with quote
LightningCount wrote:
It's understandable to an extent, but I think a lot of newer gamers don't realize how big a deal Simon in particular is, and how fitting it is for Smash. When they made a cartoon about Nintendo games back in the late '80s/early '90s, it had Nintendo's staples like Mario in the main cast, but it also had two of the biggest names in video games that were often spoken in the same breath at the time: Mega Man and Simon Belmont. To have them all back together again is beautiful.


Captain N: the Game Master. I had the same thought this morning watching it. Of note, this is the list of non-original characters in the series represented in Smash now:
Simon Belmont
Kid Icarus
Mega Man
Zelda
Link
Donkey Kong
The Count (aka Castlevania's Dracula but not named as such)
Alucard
Ganon

There could be others who are already assist trophies or cameos, but I'm not sure. You guys can check for yourselves


Also, Mario never appeared on the show, but it was aired in a block with the Mario cartoon, which is probably what you're remembering.
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LightningCount



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:43 pm Reply with quote
Dessa wrote:
LightningCount wrote:
It's understandable to an extent, but I think a lot of newer gamers don't realize how big a deal Simon in particular is, and how fitting it is for Smash. When they made a cartoon about Nintendo games back in the late '80s/early '90s, it had Nintendo's staples like Mario in the main cast, but it also had two of the biggest names in video games that were often spoken in the same breath at the time: Mega Man and Simon Belmont. To have them all back together again is beautiful.


Captain N: the Game Master. I had the same thought this morning watching it. Of note, this is the list of non-original characters in the series represented in Smash now:
Simon Belmont
Kid Icarus
Mega Man
Zelda
Link
Donkey Kong
The Count (aka Castlevania's Dracula but not named as such)
Alucard
Ganon

There could be others who are already assist trophies or cameos, but I'm not sure. You guys can check for yourselves

Also, Mario never appeared on the show, but it was aired in a block with the Mario cartoon, which is probably what you're remembering.


Ah, yes, you're correct! Oops! I mixed the two together on that point. I had to catch myself when I first posted, because I almost included Link as well. (But he had his own series with Zelda and co. as a side-series of the Super Mario Bros. Super Show.) [Wait...I just checked the list, and Link did appear in some episodes!] Nevertheless, as you pointed out, it's still a Game Master reunion and characters like Simon that people might not resonate as much with these days were a part of the mainstream Nintendo pantheon. (Though to be fair, Game Master's Simon was a very edited version of the character.) And my point on Nintendo Power still stands, too.

PS: With a few characters left to be revealed, and some sadly ruled out (like Bomberman as an Assist Trophy), I wonder who else could make it in. There are a lot of secondary or super obscure Nintendo-proper characters...but if there are any more guests from the classic era, Arthur (Ghosts N' Goblins), Ryu Hayabusa (original Ninja Gaiden blue version) Nathan "Rad" Spencer (Bionic Commando), and Strider Hiryu (Strider) also come to mind. Of those, Arthur would maybe be the coolest, in my opinion. Man, there were some really amazing '80s video game icons across the board.

[...*Sees Bayou Billy on the list of characters in Captain N: The Game Master*... I wouldn't want or need to see him in Smash, but there's a character I haven't heard people talk about in a long time!]
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Gemnist



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:10 am Reply with quote
I would have preferred Gabriel to Richter, just so the timelines can meet, but oh well.

Now all we need are Shantae, Spring Man, Professor Layton, Rayman, Elma from Xenoblade X, Travis from No More Heroes, Crash, Solaire, Banjo-Kazooie, a Snipperclips stage, an Eternal Darkness stage, Nester from Nintendo Power, Ryu Hayabusa, a Dynasty Warrior, Qbby from Box Boy, characters from Shin Megami Tensei, characters from StarTropics, characters from Contra, Nintendo Labo, AND a Story Mode, and I'll officially be a happy camper.
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