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NEWS: Game Freak's Junichi Masuda Releases Comment About Pokémon Sword/Shield Games' Pokédex Issue


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JohnHawk



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:32 am Reply with quote
It's kind of a load of crap tbh. The real answer is pokemon is one of if not the biggest franchises in the world, but gamefreak and pokemon team never staffed up or bothered to learn optimized 3D modeling since they were allowed to just stay on the portables only for so long (of which the last one, 3DS, was already years dated tech wise the day it came out). So they're just running into the issue MANY japanese devs ran into when 3d first became big 2 decades ago... now. Cause they were allowed to not have to worry about it for 20 years compared to everyone else.

We all know how incompetent gamefreak's dev stuff is after the technical/programming disaster that was Sun and Moon after people got a look at those roms, so this is kind of just an extension of that. Hopefully they learn from it and by the next pokemon game they've increased the staff and talent a bit to catch up to the rest of the world. They have the money for it after all. There's no acceptable reason for a modern switch game to look worse than a gamecube one from 15 years ago at this point, and them not being able to get all the pokemon in is just a symptom of that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:54 am Reply with quote
That statement is total BS. They’re only doing this so fans will shell out money for a game where all of them can be transferred. “Gotta catch ‘em all”? More like “Gotta catch some of ‘em cause we want your money”!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:36 am Reply with quote
[quote="JohnHawk"We all know how incompetent gamefreak's dev stuff is after the technical/programming disaster that was Sun and Moon after people got a look at those roms, so this is kind of just an extension of that.[/quote]

Masuda knows what happens when you over-extend yourself, [urlhttps://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-dev-says-rubysapphire-were-the-hardest-pok/1100-6452514/]he got hospitalized working on Gen III[/url]. You're absolutely right, this is new hardware and new tech that Game Freak isn't necessarily ready for. Of course they wouldn't be ready, they weren't gonna plan for a Switch game right after making Pokémon Sun and Moon three years ago when they had other stuff they were working on.

And let's be real: demanding all almost-1000 Pokémon is just bluster. Nobody is on pins and needles to capture and train Luvdisk, Alomamola, Deerling, Bidoof or Nosepass. This isn't about Audino or Flabébé or Slugma. Even if all 1000 Pokémon were put into Sword and Shield, nobody would give those a second look after shoving them into a box. They'd get a round of Ditto then start breeding the same Meta-team. Again.

The effort required to make sure people can train their almighty Watchog along with the other 1000 Pokémon would mean they'd need *years* of work. And Game Freak is on a schedule: they have to coordinate with a cartoon, comics, toy production, card production, and who-knows-what-else the Pokémon Company has in the wings to coincide with Sword and Shield. And Game Freak isn't CD Projekt Red or Rockstar North or EA: they're Game Freak. They're a smaller studio, the game equivalent of Pixar ([urlhttps://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=game+freak+number+of+employees]barely 150 employees in fact[/url]). They're not here to ruin lives, they're here to make a game.

But sure, Game Freak is "incompetent" because we can't be guaranteed to import, capture or use Spearow in Pokémon Sword and Shield.
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Sekaro



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:43 am Reply with quote
Wow. This is quite the apparent PR talk. I don't think they were even trying to hide it. That said, I'm still gonna buy the game since this whole transfer issue never really bothered me as I want to exclusively use Galar Pokemon for my new adventure Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:58 am Reply with quote
Reminds me of the statement TPCi put out when they were changing all the Voice Actors and the fandom was campaigning. Pretty much can be summed up as "We hear you, We don't care, get used to it".
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Aca Vuksa



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:17 am Reply with quote
I read up to this article on the Pokemon.com official website about it. I feel this regarding Masuda's decision too, but hopefully, we can add this old gen in the form of mods, these are the only remaining things we must do it for now. Anime cry
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:01 am Reply with quote
Pokemon is a billion dollar franchise, if they can't hire more people to program the extra pokemon in then there's something wrong.
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Yuvelir



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:05 am Reply with quote
FinalVentCard wrote:
And let's be real: demanding all almost-1000 Pokémon is just bluster. Nobody is on pins and needles to capture and train Luvdisk, Alomamola, Deerling, Bidoof or Nosepass. This isn't about Audino or Flabébé or Slugma. Even if all 1000 Pokémon were put into Sword and Shield, nobody would give those a second look after shoving them into a box. They'd get a round of Ditto then start breeding the same Meta-team. Again.

You know, people tend to be extremely hung-up with the 1000 figure... and so what? Just because an extra digit has been added to the figure it doesn't mean that their workload has increased tenfold. It has been increased by how many pokémon and forms they add that specific generation.
And this is ignoring the fact that they took on a titanic task back in XY when they created models and animations that, to this day, are still being used as-is. 3DS games ran like shit because those models were made so this culling shit wouldn't happen. So now we're left with two generations with serious consistency problems and one with a partial dex.

As for Audino, Flabébé and slugma... Well, they ARE someone's favourite. Every pokémon is someone's favourite. That's the best part of the series and what it has thrived on for two decades. Those people have been sold not one but two subscription services to bring forward whatever pokémon they're attached to or want to keep moving forwards. Now they have no guarantee that they'll get to see their simisear, luvdisc or bruxish ever again (they already said that the Galar selection is partially based on popularity).

And as a player, it is a logistic nightmare, I absolutely am not looking forward to looking up compatibility charts every time I want to play a new game or battle with someone using with a different game pair (that is, assuming battling between different version pairs will be possible at all).

As a player, it is not my fault that they have decided they need to rush a game every year AND that they refuse to grow proportionately to the new hardwares and worloads.
This is also coming after years of the fanbase being disappointed or annoyed at many of Game Freak's design decisions and cut content (the most egregious one being the Battle Frontier), but everyone kept putting up with it because the core of the game was just so good. Now that core has been compromised.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:34 am Reply with quote
FinalVentCard wrote:
JohnHawk wrote:
We all know how incompetent gamefreak's dev stuff is after the technical/programming disaster that was Sun and Moon after people got a look at those roms, so this is kind of just an extension of that.


Masuda knows what happens when you over-extend yourself, [urlhttps://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-dev-says-rubysapphire-were-the-hardest-pok/1100-6452514/]he got hospitalized working on Gen III[/url]. You're absolutely right, this is new hardware and new tech that Game Freak isn't necessarily ready for. Of course they wouldn't be ready, they weren't gonna plan for a Switch game right after making Pokémon Sun and Moon three years ago when they had other stuff they were working on.

And let's be real: demanding all almost-1000 Pokémon is just bluster. Nobody is on pins and needles to capture and train Luvdisk, Alomamola, Deerling, Bidoof or Nosepass. This isn't about Audino or Flabébé or Slugma. Even if all 1000 Pokémon were put into Sword and Shield, nobody would give those a second look after shoving them into a box. They'd get a round of Ditto then start breeding the same Meta-team. Again.

The effort required to make sure people can train their almighty Watchog along with the other 1000 Pokémon would mean they'd need *years* of work. And Game Freak is on a schedule: they have to coordinate with a cartoon, comics, toy production, card production, and who-knows-what-else the Pokémon Company has in the wings to coincide with Sword and Shield. And Game Freak isn't CD Projekt Red or Rockstar North or EA: they're Game Freak. They're a smaller studio, the game equivalent of Pixar ([urlhttps://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=game+freak+number+of+employees]barely 150 employees in fact[/url]). They're not here to ruin lives, they're here to make a game.

But sure, Game Freak is "incompetent" because we can't be guaranteed to import, capture or use Spearow in Pokémon Sword and Shield.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:21 am Reply with quote
JohnHawk wrote:
It's kind of a load of crap tbh. The real answer is pokemon is one of if not the biggest franchises in the world, but gamefreak and pokemon team never staffed up or bothered to learn optimized 3D modeling since they were allowed to just stay on the portables only for so long (of which the last one, 3DS, was already years dated tech wise the day it came out). So they're just running into the issue MANY japanese devs ran into when 3d first became big 2 decades ago... now. Cause they were allowed to not have to worry about it for 20 years compared to everyone else.

We all know how incompetent gamefreak's dev stuff is after the technical/programming disaster that was Sun and Moon after people got a look at those roms, so this is kind of just an extension of that. Hopefully they learn from it and by the next pokemon game they've increased the staff and talent a bit to catch up to the rest of the world. They have the money for it after all. There's no acceptable reason for a modern switch game to look worse than a gamecube one from 15 years ago at this point, and them not being able to get all the pokemon in is just a symptom of that.


Hear, hear,

This guy knows what's up. Pretty much agree with your post. Game Freak was always a small development team and still is, don't know why people are getting there hopes up with Sword & Shield. It's new territory for Game Freak so there will be a lot of problems, the best thing they could do is staff up to balance the workload but this is Japan we're talking about and they don't seem to want to bring any new blood to the team, maybe they fear leaks so much they don't want to hire anybody new (jk).

Wish they kept Genius Sonority Inc. making Pokemon games after Colosseum, Anime hyper and Battle Revolution. We could of had some really good Pokemon games for home systems around about now while Game Freak could of just stayed with Portables or merged with GS Inc. around now considering the Switch and all. I really miss those old GameCube pokemon games that didn't follow the traditional fomular of getting Gym badges and being able to capture Pokemon normally in the wild. Now GS Inc. is reduced to making small games on the 3DS eShop.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:50 am Reply with quote
Yuvelir wrote:
FinalVentCard wrote:
And let's be real: demanding all almost-1000 Pokémon is just bluster. Nobody is on pins and needles to capture and train Luvdisk, Alomamola, Deerling, Bidoof or Nosepass. This isn't about Audino or Flabébé or Slugma. Even if all 1000 Pokémon were put into Sword and Shield, nobody would give those a second look after shoving them into a box. They'd get a round of Ditto then start breeding the same Meta-team. Again.

You know, people tend to be extremely hung-up with the 1000 figure... and so what? Just because an extra digit has been added to the figure it doesn't mean that their workload has increased tenfold. It has been increased by how many pokémon and forms they add that specific generation.
And this is ignoring the fact that they took on a titanic task back in XY when they created models and animations that, to this day, are still being used as-is. 3DS games ran like shit because those models were made so this culling shit wouldn't happen. So now we're left with two generations with serious consistency problems and one with a partial dex.

As for Audino, Flabébé and slugma... Well, they ARE someone's favourite. Every pokémon is someone's favourite. That's the best part of the series and what it has thrived on for two decades. Those people have been sold not one but two subscription services to bring forward whatever pokémon they're attached to or want to keep moving forwards. Now they have no guarantee that they'll get to see their simisear, luvdisc or bruxish ever again (they already said that the Galar selection is partially based on popularity).

And as a player, it is a logistic nightmare, I absolutely am not looking forward to looking up compatibility charts every time I want to play a new game or battle with someone using with a different game pair (that is, assuming battling between different version pairs will be possible at all).

As a player, it is not my fault that they have decided they need to rush a game every year AND that they refuse to grow proportionately to the new hardwares and worloads.
This is also coming after years of the fanbase being disappointed or annoyed at many of Game Freak's design decisions and cut content (the most egregious one being the Battle Frontier), but everyone kept putting up with it because the core of the game was just so good. Now that core has been compromised.


I agree with you Yuvelir, every Pokémon is important to someone. I'm pretty sure GameFreak and The Pokémon Company know it because if not, from the beginning they wouldn't have done every online competition on X/Y/ORAS/Sun/Moon/USUM, things like every regional "Classic Online Competition"; the "tiny tourney Online Competition"; "Scrappy Skirmish Online Competition", and many others that didn't mention. All of them were occasions to give opportunities to the leasts used Pokémon, to put a Bidoof, Bonsly, Happiny or Wynaut on the spotlight, just to make everyone happy, and to show that every Pokémon cares for them.

On the other hand, I undestand what FinalVentCard tries to point out, that it is a BIG task to 3D modeling all Pokémon until now (including the least used), but they are using it as an excuse, because unused walking animations even exists for every 802 Pokémon on Sun/Moon, so if GameFreak or CG Studio (The company in charge of 3D modeling) can't import and stylize existing in-battle and walking models, that is a huge failured from both, they didn't have any interest or vision for next installments of the franchise, and it would only give reasons to make anyone think that they only want to make money with little effort.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:54 am Reply with quote
This feels like GameFreak and Nintendo's attempt to force players to pay for Home or lose all of their Pokemon. With Bank when a new game came out you could pay for a year to transfer all of your Pokemon to a new gen and then not renew. With this new policy you won't be able to do that because you can't keep every Pokemon in a single game anymore. So all of the people who have a living Dex will be forced to either pay for Home or leave all of their non Galar Pokemon in Bank until they shut the servers down.
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I honestly think people should focusing less on what isn't there like the National Dex and focusing more on what is there like: tons of new Pokemon, a new to region explore, and the characters.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:36 am Reply with quote
cyberdraco wrote:
I honestly think people should focusing less on what isn't there like the National Dex and focusing more on what is there like: tons of new Pokemon, a new to region explore, and the characters.

Why? All of those positives you mention are a standard. Like how bringing your old crew to meet the new guys after the main game for high-fun, high-difficulty battling used to be a standard as well.

It's a horrible feeling knowing that that one quirky favorite of yours probably won't make it in because it didn't get enough buzz on Smogon.
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cyberdraco wrote:
I honestly think people should focusing less on what isn't there like the National Dex and focusing more on what is there like: tons of new Pokemon, a new to region explore, and the characters.


What about all the people who have a living pokedex or a lot of shiny and event Pokemon. Why should they have to leave all their hard work behind. I personally have a shiny Celebi from Crystal that I have been saving for this game. Chances are I won't even be able to transfer it over let alone actually use it. Who knows if I will even be able to use it in the next set of games either. I really don't want to have to wait until Lets Go Johto to be able to use it assuming that we will be able to even transfer Pokemon to those games.
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