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Kicksville
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I remember waking up at some ungodly morning hour to attempt to see Sailor Moon in syndication - and years later, seeing a good chunk of Sailor Stars with friends thanks to people getting rid of their old fansub tapes. I'd been looking forward to being able to see the whole thing from beginning to end properly at the highest quality possible, so all those problems with the Viz Blu-rays were a real bummer.
Still, those limited release movie screenings were nice at least. At Sailor Moon R, there was a young girl who was absolutely beside herself over the film's finale, just sobbing and cheering. It was nice to know Sailor Moon's still got it. |
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GATSU
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I guess I shouldn't bring up the Shin-chan or Strange+ parodies.
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Beatdigga
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Say what you will about the series, and there is a LOT to say for good and for ill, the property commands a massive amount of loyalty. Netflix's announcement of the Eternal movies got tens of thousands of likes, and when Crystal first came out on Hulu, it and the redubbed original were their top-rated shows at one point, over heavy hitters like the WWE. That doesn't happen to franchises that have no fanbase.
Although 20 years and the internet will do that. |
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Divineking
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Good article and glad to see someone speak up about Todd again. However it's probably worth nothing the Pretty Boy Detective Club was done by Bang Zoom and likely casted by their casting director Mami Okada and seems to have been paid for by Aniplex of America. I don't think Funimation had any direct involvement beyond streaming it.
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merr
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It's a shame Netflix didn't just hire Studiopolis and Suzanne Goldish to dub Eternal. I'd love to know if they even explored that option.
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penguintruth
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Yeah, Todd Haberkorn did kind of slip under the Vic Radar, didn't he? But I guess there weren't, like, a decade of stories about him like with Vic.
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Brainchild129
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That's what confuses me as well. That new dub for Sailor Moon and SMC was really well-done. Why would they change course? Was it simply a matter of conflicting schedules? Or was it Netflix changing things up so they could better claim ownership of this particular dub (and likely, eventually try to charge Viz some outrageous price to use that dub on a home video release)? You almost kind of wish that one of the major parties involved took more care with Sailor Moon as a franchise. Toei certainly doesn't, as they have a long and storied history of either being needlessly difficult or needlessly lazy and cheap with their international releases. Meanwhile, Naoko Takeuchi is famous for her iron grip on the rights to the franchise, but I wish she had more discretion about the quality of the works based on her property. Maybe then SMC could have been better. I too am glad that someone else didn't forget Todd Haberkorn's confession. I certainly didn't. It might have gotten overshadowed by the 3-ring circus of the Mignogna lawsuit, but there aren't enough C&Ds in the world to erase the memories of everyone who saw his comments. Hell, I had friends who toldThe sad thing is that his continued career is proof of how little the voice-acting industry takes sexual harassment seriously. All you have to do is erase your public confession, legally threaten others into shutting up, and keep quiet for a few years. Even VM might have maintained his career if he had just laid low in a similar manner instead of blowing everything up in a big lawsuit. |
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GATSU
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Toei mishandles most of their anime for a quick buck. So far, One Piece was the only one which got to them enough to listen to fans....
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bulwhark
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Oh man, that old VKLL cover brings back memories. Right when S and SuperS got announced for release VKLL told everyone you go two weeks to ask for tapes then they're done. Had to beg my parents for money then wait months for them to show up from Canada. Every day I'd walk home from school hoping there'd be a big box of tapes on the porch waiting for me. I've still got them in a box (different box, I did watch them) under the stairs 20 years later. Even though I've got the Viz blu-rays I can't bring myself to get rid of this piece of my history.
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merr
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Right? We know the Netflix producer reached out to Charlene Ingram, who doesn’t work at Viz anymore, for help reassembling the cast. We don’t know if they went through Viz to do that. I can only speculate that Netflix sent the dub to VSI because of some global agreement to have them produce it for multiple languages. |
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whiskeyii
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Wow. I thought I knew where this essay was going, but I absolutely did not. And shame on me, I completely forgot all about Todd Haberkorn's (alleged) assault despite leaving a direct Twitter reply on his probably now-deleted tweet where he claimed it was fine, because they were both blind-drunk, and my rebuttal was that "blind-drunk" should not be a default state for assumed consent.
Also, as someone who got into anime via Sailor Moon but is not a die-hard Moonie, I'm also deeply perplexed why such a beloved franchise seems to so often get shafted. Why is it so hard for y'all to get a definitive version? You'd think 25 years would be long enough to get most of the translation kinks worked out by now. |
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KitKat1721
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As someone who isn't super familiar with Sailor Moon and just casually watched the show growing up (although I did rent the movie, then localized as "The Promise of the Rose," over and over again as a kid haha), the manga stuff sounds particularly exhausting. Especially considering it should be the one true and accurate version of the story given Sailor Moon's rocky history.
I also definitely remember the whole Viz blu-ray controversy, which just kind of amazed me because they seemed to be doing all the other steps for that first season right (the new dub cast was well received, they made multiple streaming service deals like with Hulu, they promoted it heavily, etc...) and just completely fumbled at the home stretch. And while I never really forgot about those allegations against Todd, I did actually question the outcome of them only a few days ago with the Pretty Boy Detective Club announcement. I figured the alleged victim just dropped the charges, and I'm obviously not going to hold her to anything on that, its her decision. But it was definitely strange that it just completely disappeared. By the way, Bang Zoom is producing the dub, not Funimation. The latter is just streaming it, similar to other Aniplex shows like Fate/Grand Order Babylonia or Magia Record. You can look at the staff list in the credits and tell this at a glance, but its an easy mistake to make. I think the last Funimation thing I've seen him in (besides a one-off character in MHA S4 that seemed more due to a Natsu-lookalike joke?) was a reprisal in one of the Free OVAs from a couple years ago. Meanwhile on the LA side, he's been in the newest season of Bungou Stray Dogs, BNA, A Whisker Away, High-Rise Invansion, Genshin Impact, the new Re:Zero game, etc...). None of them big parts mind you, but doesn't mean he's hasn't been steadily keeping work. Lastly, I think I did see this at some point on twitter years ago around the time it happened, but holy hell that e-mail is so insulting. I didn't know about the additional emails sent to male colleagues, and I would have been absolutely livid. |
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Shay Guy
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Somehow the Haberkorn business flew under my radar... well, that puts both his Danganronpa roles in an unpleasant new light.
I'm just going by what I've read from others, but my understanding has been that while Haruka flirts with not-officially-queer women (Usagi's canon pairing may be het, but it's hard to deny how she reacts to Rei, plus I've seen arguments for some Ami/Makoto going on in the background), she doesn't really stray into predatory territory. As for the rest... whatever the problematic elements may be, the presumption is that the viewer is a young girl, and the miniskirts and age gaps and such are all handled from that perspective. There's a big difference between catering to a girl's fantasy of an older boyfriend and catering to a man's fantasy of a younger girlfriend. (And sometimes this stuff is in a gray area -- Buffy meant a lot to female viewers who hadn't seen anything like her on TV, but there's also been a good amount of commentary in recent years about how much of it was driven by Whedon's fetish for physically powerful young women, and especially for seeing them broken.) |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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I'm also frustrated with how Toei has completely ignored the live action Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon reboot throughout the whole anniversary both in terms of merchandise marketing and licensing and how they won't do more to make the live action musicals more widely available in NA outside of that one limited theatrical screening of the Stars musical did in the US and never released on video. I love the Viz Sailor Moon dub and most of the cast and adaptation, but it also has been cursed with first Todd being cast as Jadeite and now doing the ADR direction for the Eternal movie dub. Then Vic Mignogna got cast as Ryo in the first season of the 90s anime which this was before the allegations were made public but also it was an open secret everyone in the industry knew about for years but did nothing about it until fans started to push back more. Then you also had Cris Niosi getting cast as Helios in the Viz 90s dub and we still don't know who's voicing Helios in the Eternal dub even though it comes out on Netflix in three days.
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ANN_Lynzee
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I wish I could tell you, but the review copies on Netflix only include the Japanese credits even if you watch the dub.
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