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NG_Chloe
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 Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:46 pm
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I think it seems a little soon, we haven't even had all the chairs in show yet. I feel like they should wait a few more weeks to get a better impression to work off of, but I guess that's business
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Farhanawesome
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:51 pm
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Since this is was their first lineup of their fall DUBCAST, i wonder if Lupin III or Yuki yuna S3 will get a dubcast next.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:47 am
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| NG_Chloe wrote: | | I think it seems a little soon, we haven't even had all the chairs in show yet. I feel like they should wait a few more weeks to get a better impression to work off of, |
Personally I think these are always too early. Ideal a show should be close to over, or even just over, before they start dubbing episodes. It doesn't help when companies do this with many titles all at once.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:36 am
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| MarshalBanana wrote: |
| NG_Chloe wrote: | | I think it seems a little soon, we haven't even had all the chairs in show yet. I feel like they should wait a few more weeks to get a better impression to work off of, |
Personally I think these are always too early. Ideal a show should be close to over, or even just over, before they start dubbing episodes. It doesn't help when companies do this with many titles all at once. |
No offense but consider those of us who end up missing out on discussions because companies WAIT to Dub the anime esp far too late. Heck, even if they dub it a week after the ep airs we've already missed most if not ALL of the discussion on the ep becus most of that occurs when the anime airs with JP Dub. Even if one doesn't care about that, there is still the issue of running into spoilers online (And this site is NO exception to that for those like myself who are mostly here just for the news section). How is it FAIR to ask those who wish to watch some or all anime Dubbed to WAIT for 8-26 weeks for the Dub to air huh? (Numbers I gave based on how many eps an anime usually has, though typically the number is closer to 12 than 8 but I've seen 8 enough to know its common enough) I'd also like to add that companies can get VA who sound similar to the JP Dub or are a good match to the char they're portraying quickly if they have enough reach and money and so on.
Anyway, personally I can't wait for the day when ALL anime air their Dub at the same time the JP Dub airs.
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Punch Drunk Marc
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:23 am
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| Villain-chan wrote: |
| MarshalBanana wrote: |
| NG_Chloe wrote: | | I think it seems a little soon, we haven't even had all the chairs in show yet. I feel like they should wait a few more weeks to get a better impression to work off of, |
Personally I think these are always too early. Ideal a show should be close to over, or even just over, before they start dubbing episodes. It doesn't help when companies do this with many titles all at once. |
No offense but consider those of us who end up missing out on discussions because companies WAIT to Dub the anime esp far too late. Heck, even if they dub it a week after the ep airs we've already missed most if not ALL of the discussion on the ep becus most of that occurs when the anime airs with JP Dub. Even if one doesn't care about that, there is still the issue of running into spoilers online (And this site is NO exception to that for those like myself who are mostly here just for the news section). How is it FAIR to ask those who wish to watch some or all anime Dubbed to WAIT for 8-26 weeks for the Dub to air huh? (Numbers I gave based on how many eps an anime usually has, though typically the number is closer to 12 than 8 but I've seen 8 enough to know its common enough) I'd also like to add that companies can get VA who sound similar to the JP Dub or are a good match to the char they're portraying quickly if they have enough reach and money and so on.
Anyway, personally I can't wait for the day when ALL anime air their Dub at the same time the JP Dub airs. |
As much as I love dubs, I hope this is NEVER the case and it probably never will be because it would require very involved cooperation between the show staff and whatever company licenses the show. With so many different companies licensing a bunch of shows at once, that's nearly impossible because it would require Funimation (or any other studio) to talking to like 10 staffs at once so they coordinate who does what.
Add in the fact that most of the time certain directors and creators already have certain seiyuu in mind for shows, and know virtually NO English VAs, it makes the process that much harder.
Simuldubs as they are NOW made things a but harder on the industry, same day would be chaos.
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Redbeard 101
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:45 pm
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| Villain-chan wrote: | | No offense but consider those of us who end up missing out on discussions because companies WAIT to Dub the anime esp far too late. Heck, even if they dub it a week after the ep airs we've already missed most if not ALL of the discussion on the ep becus most of that occurs when the anime airs with JP Dub. Even if one doesn't care about that, there is still the issue of running into spoilers online (And this site is NO exception to that for those like myself who are mostly here just for the news section). How is it FAIR to ask those who wish to watch some or all anime Dubbed to WAIT for 8-26 weeks for the Dub to air huh? (Numbers I gave based on how many eps an anime usually has, though typically the number is closer to 12 than 8 but I've seen 8 enough to know its common enough) I'd also like to add that companies can get VA who sound similar to the JP Dub or are a good match to the char they're portraying quickly if they have enough reach and money and so on.
Anyway, personally I can't wait for the day when ALL anime air their Dub at the same time the JP Dub airs. |
Doing that would just be a giant boondoggle that would not turn out well. I mean for starters the NA companies would have to have access to material even sooner to be able to do this. I don't see that happening right there. Even IF that did happen then they would have to rush the dubs even more then they already do to meet the current simuldub schedule. It would simply be even greater chaos, and more then likely only serve an inferior product. I highly doubt it will ever happen, and honestly it's best that it doesn't.
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lossthief
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:18 pm
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| Villain-chan wrote: | | How is it FAIR to ask those who wish to watch some or all anime Dubbed to WAIT for 8-26 weeks for the Dub to air huh? |
I mean, it's not fair, but that's because it's just a consequence of how things are made. Unless the entire production pipeline for TV anime changes to the point where shows are always completed weeks (if not months) before they begin airing, there's just not a way to have universal day-and-date dubs.
Also it tickles me that this is even a topic for discussion considering only a few years ago it was standard to wait well over a year for 95% of seasonal anime to get dubbed - if they did at all - and often those were only available on the home video release. There was a whole months-long wait after the first season of Attack On Titan aired where we were just waiting to learn the cast list!
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:25 pm
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I think it should also be pointed out the reason why simuldubs are the way they are is because of the pandemic and everything is being produced remotely now which is going to naturally slow the production down some. Funimation was actually pretty close to doing near same day dubs for a lot of their shows before the pandemic hit. Then they briefly had to put all their dubs on hold until they got the technology to make remote dubs. Now dubbing studios are trying to juggle doing both simuldubs of new shows and catching up on older shows at the same time. So most of the time the reasons for a slow roll out of simuldubs is out of the control of the studios' hands who are doing their best to keep up with everything and catch up on their backlog while maintaining high quality productions at the same time. So just try to be patient with the dubbing studios doing their best to keep up with fan demand.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:57 am
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As pointed out, Funi b4 the pandemic was able to do same day (or close to it) Dubs, and that's with today's current tech and methods. In the future u know tech will be better, methods HOPEFULLY will improve so that its less chaos and so on on those involved in this process and of making anime. So if A) Tech has improved and B) its not an issue anymore and thus isn't chaos on anyone and C) the Dubs' VA sounds close to or the same as the JP Dub's VA or are a good fit for the char then, I see no reason to delay any Dub being produced and causing the fans to wait. Remember again, prior to the pandemic Funi was doing the once thought impossible and again, that is despite the industries' methods and tech which I can assure u will only improve with time and new tech will be out to make the process more smoother.
This is why I said I cannot wait for the day Dubs come out at the same time as the JP Dub, becus it can be done.
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| Villain-chan wrote: | | How is it FAIR to ask those who wish to watch some or all anime Dubbed to WAIT for 8-26 weeks for the Dub to air huh? |
I mean, it's not fair, but that's because it's just a consequence of how things are made. Unless the entire production pipeline for TV anime changes to the point where shows are always completed weeks (if not months) before they begin airing, there's just not a way to have universal day-and-date dubs.
Also it tickles me that this is even a topic for discussion considering only a few years ago it was standard to wait well over a year for 95% of seasonal anime to get dubbed - if they did at all - and often those were only available on the home video release. There was a whole months-long wait after the first season of Attack On Titan aired where we were just waiting to learn the cast list! |
Not every anime is produced as it airs, we saw a few that didn't have delays and the ones involved in the anime came out and said "Its finished or is almost done (as in, only like 3 or 4 eps left) and will air uninterrupted" and sure enough it did. Some release all at once when they air too. I recall reading the Answerman column and he went over how anime was produced, I forget if he mentioned the ones that get made b4 it airs or not but I do't recall reading a mention of it, anyway, what am trying to say is anime isn't always made as it airs these days, times are changing, but yes, most anime to my knowledge is made as it airs, but I think a good many of them prolly get a few eps done b4 the anime even airs. (As in 2-4 eps done)
Yeah I recall that (And if the anime is owned by Toei Animation (DBS, Digimon) u can forget it, u'll be waiting year(s), but times change, Funi did the once thought impossible, and other companies also aired much faster than the norm prior to a few years ago. Even right now some anime movies that air in theaters in Japan are being streamed outside Japan (or even played in theaters) which used to be unheard of as u have to wait at least 9 months b4 Japan lets it come outside their country. (Which is a shitty practice imo, esp in cases like Princess Principle movie being 6 movies... which is also shitty to do to the fans as thats a many years worth wait for the Dub or even it to release outside Japan, esp for all movies) Hopefully someday every movie will also be released same day or much quicker compared to now where its 3-6 months and only a select few.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:52 am
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| Villain-chan wrote: | | As pointed out, Funi b4 the pandemic was able to do same day (or close to it) Dubs, and that's with today's current tech and methods. In the future u know tech will be better, methods HOPEFULLY will improve so that its less chaos and so on on those involved in this process and of making anime. So if A) Tech has improved and B) its not an issue anymore and thus isn't chaos on anyone and C) the Dubs' VA sounds close to or the same as the JP Dub's VA or are a good fit for the char then, I see no reason to delay any Dub being produced and causing the fans to wait. Remember again, prior to the pandemic Funi was doing the once thought impossible and again, that is despite the industries' methods and tech which I can assure u will only improve with time and new tech will be out to make the process more smoother.
This is why I said I cannot wait for the day Dubs come out at the same time as the JP Dub, becus it can be done.
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You're cherry picking my post because I also clearly state in the same post you're citing for your argument that the reason why dubs are coming out slower now is because the technology for remote dub is not at the point it was at for in studio dubbing that they can dub safely and remotely and get everything out at the same time as the Japanese release. Dubbing studios are also trying to both simuldub new shows and catch up with shows from past seasons that were delayed due to the virus. Funimation just the other day finished the dub of the previous season of Love Live while a new season of it just came out in Japan. Sentai Filmworks is also a much smaller company than their rival dubbing studios like Funimation or Bang Zoom and they have smaller resources to work with just with licensing shows let alone dubbing them. At the end of the day the comfort level and safety of the dub cast and staff matter more than fan entitlement. And if you don't like dubs aren't coming out fast enough when they're coming out way faster than the old days when it was two or three episodes per VHS tape, you can go back and watch tons of backlog shows you probably haven't seen yet, most of which are probably a lot better than the shows airing currently.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:53 am
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| Cardcaptor Takato wrote: |
| Villain-chan wrote: | | As pointed out, Funi b4 the pandemic was able to do same day (or close to it) Dubs, and that's with today's current tech and methods. In the future u know tech will be better, methods HOPEFULLY will improve so that its less chaos and so on on those involved in this process and of making anime. So if A) Tech has improved and B) its not an issue anymore and thus isn't chaos on anyone and C) the Dubs' VA sounds close to or the same as the JP Dub's VA or are a good fit for the char then, I see no reason to delay any Dub being produced and causing the fans to wait. Remember again, prior to the pandemic Funi was doing the once thought impossible and again, that is despite the industries' methods and tech which I can assure u will only improve with time and new tech will be out to make the process more smoother.
This is why I said I cannot wait for the day Dubs come out at the same time as the JP Dub, becus it can be done.
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You're cherry picking my post because I also clearly state in the same post you're citing for your argument that the reason why dubs are coming out slower now is because the technology for remote dub is not at the point it was at for in studio dubbing that they can dub safely and remotely and get everything out at the same time as the Japanese release. Dubbing studios are also trying to both simuldub new shows and catch up with shows from past seasons that were delayed due to the virus. Funimation just the other day finished the dub of the previous season of Love Live while a new season of it just came out in Japan. Sentai Filmworks is also a much smaller company than their rival dubbing studios like Funimation or Bang Zoom and they have smaller resources to work with just with licensing shows let alone dubbing them. At the end of the day the comfort level and safety of the dub cast and staff matter more than fan entitlement. And if you don't like dubs aren't coming out fast enough when they're coming out way faster than the old days when it was two or three episodes per VHS tape, you can go back and watch tons of backlog shows you probably haven't seen yet, most of which are probably a lot better than the shows airing currently. |
Whose cherry picking whose post? In the very same post of mine that u quoted I state for the future, NOT the here and now. This pandemic ain't gonna last forever u know and sooner or later the studios will catch up on dubbing past series. I see no reason to delay dubs as I stated b4 and for why not to delay. (its worth noting this discussion OG did not include the pandemic or the back log and we're starting to see some anime now airing alongside their sub which is a good thing).
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SenpaiDuckie
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:09 am
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Guys, breathe and enough with the snark. Keep the cool.
Let me remind you guys that in Teh Rules, posts are ought to be polite, positive, and thoughtful responses.
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