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NEWS: Crunchyroll, Wakanim Suspend Services in Russia


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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:15 pm Reply with quote
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Crunchyroll, Wakanim Suspend Services in Russia

Been wondering when they would join. Good on them. Put the pressure on Russia that actions have consequences. It may be little, but it's some.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:25 pm Reply with quote
The websites and card payment options don't work in Russia, so theres no reason to keep operating something that no one can access
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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:34 pm Reply with quote
getchman wrote:
The websites and card payment options don't work in Russia, so theres no reason to keep operating something that no one can access

Ditto for j-novel. Their membership/site purchase(credits for ebooks) requires card so even though they haven't announced anything, they're de facto defunct for Russians, the same for any ebooks of theirs sold through amazon as that service is blocked as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:48 pm Reply with quote
getchman wrote:
The websites and card payment options don't work in Russia, so theres no reason to keep operating something that no one can access


I would suppose at least Crunchyroll had an option to watch free (with ads), theatrically that could have continued. Also, credit cards (in rubles) continue to work inside russia, but that money would be a real pain to transfer outside the country, remember everytime someone watches an episode, the production committee gets some income. Also, with the ruble becoming rubble, each week it is less worthwhile to look for alternatives to extract whatever income that could still be generated.
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NOGI48



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:54 pm Reply with quote
Thats even worse, you fools now how will the anti-war anime that teaches the wrongs of both sides be able to teach the young ones? Now pirated anime will rise.
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Mune



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:12 pm Reply with quote
getchman wrote:
The websites and card payment options don't work in Russia, so theres no reason to keep operating something that no one can access


^This is a major factor.


NOGI48 wrote:
Thats even worse, you fools now how will the anti-war anime that teaches the wrongs of both sides be able to teach the young ones? Now pirated anime will rise.


I'm not sure if you are serious or not, but every other streaming platform seems to be cut off from collecting payments. The rise of pirating will be unavoidable at this point, not just anime.

I believe the idea is that if the payment methods are cut off, then the people won't be able to use services that use those payment methods. Then, those impacted might rise up, protest, and the invasion will become unpopular enough in the country to withdraw. An interesting tactic for the 21st century for developed countries.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:31 pm Reply with quote
i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place. I guess I dont understnand, unless, I guess, people will be enraged from being cut off from the world that they will further put pressure on russian gov't leaders to promptly retreat and hold off on war???
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:42 pm Reply with quote
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i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place.


You have to understand that atm the average russian does not know there is a war, they are told there is a special operation to save ukranian's from evil nazi's lead by a jew president. The BS simple gets crazier from there onwards.

Getting cut from streaming and financial services is a signal for them that something is not right. There is a moment when the pile of lies no longer add up and people start to realize their leaders have put them in the situation they are in.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:42 pm Reply with quote
Яeverse wrote:
i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place. I guess I dont understnand, unless, I guess, people will be enraged from being cut off from the world that they will further put pressure on russian gov't leaders to promptly retreat and hold off on war???


I think the hope is that, if the common man can't access anything, they'll rise up against the person who is responsible for this and things will end.

Unfortunately, in practice, this does not work. Unless the entire country's populace mobilizes against the government, the threat of a 15 year jail sentence for protesting against Putin and his government is enough to keep most people in place.

Especially when the government controls the media and has made it so that Russians believe that the Ukrainians are bombing themselves in order to make it look as if Russia is the one behind it.
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livin_large



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:50 pm Reply with quote
Яeverse wrote:
i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place. I guess I dont understnand, unless, I guess, people will be enraged from being cut off from the world that they will further put pressure on russian gov't leaders to promptly retreat and hold off on war???


That's exactly the goal. It's to put pressure on Russia, and citizens are considered acceptable losses. Some higher ups are probably even hoping this spurs militia and insurrectionist action from the citizens. America did the exact same thing with Japan in 1941 in the months leading up to the attack on Pearl Harbor in an attempt to deprive Japan of resources and cut off their actions in the Pacific.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:18 pm Reply with quote
Яeverse wrote:
i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place. I guess I dont understnand, unless, I guess, people will be enraged from being cut off from the world that they will further put pressure on russian gov't leaders to promptly retreat and hold off on war???


Simply put, war is costly. To keep the war ongoing, the country would need raw materials, labor force, soldiers, etc. Cutting them off from the global market, they would have to depend on their own and also ration their resources. Other way to think about this is the foreign businesses that are already cut off and foreign investors have taken out their invest in Russia. It's going to be a domino effect, their economy crashes, there can be an inflation on prices for local products, etc. They currently call this an economic war.

Good reading on this:
The cost of war: how Russia's economy will struggle to pay the price of invading Ukraine
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Minos_Kurumada



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:45 pm Reply with quote
Ruble already lost 92% of it's value in less than a month, this means that people buying 12 months' subscription will make you lose a thon of money since you cannot transform rubles to dollars right now.

The same with every company in Rusia right now, being clothes, cars or subscriptions, it simply makes sense to cut your loses short and simply close door in the mean time because those 100 Million rubles you made las month now are 50M and who knows how much will be worth in another 30 days.

All those companies leaving Rusia right now are just cutting their loses, nothing more.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:13 am Reply with quote
Cutiebunny wrote:
Яeverse wrote:
i dont know why you would want to punish citizens who may not want war in the first place. I guess I dont understnand, unless, I guess, people will be enraged from being cut off from the world that they will further put pressure on russian gov't leaders to promptly retreat and hold off on war???


I think the hope is that, if the common man can't access anything, they'll rise up against the person who is responsible for this and things will end.

Unfortunately, in practice, this does not work. Unless the entire country's populace mobilizes against the government, the threat of a 15 year jail sentence for protesting against Putin and his government is enough to keep most people in place.

Especially when the government controls the media and has made it so that Russians believe that the Ukrainians are bombing themselves in order to make it look as if Russia is the one behind it.


They are actually being told its a war against this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Who would have thought Russia would have a problem with neo nazis killing Russian separatists (ukrainians that want to rejoin Russia) in the Dunbas region.
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SHD



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:58 am Reply with quote
gamegodtre wrote:
They are actually being told its a war against this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Who would have thought Russia would have a problem with neo nazis killing Russian separatists (ukrainians that want to rejoin Russia) in the Dunbas region.

Which is, of course, more misinformation - half-truths, exaggerations and some outright lies.

If Putin is so terribly concerned about Neo-Nazis killing Russians, he could have started right at home, not just with his own fascist system but his own Neo-Nazis. For example, I know that the English-speaking world has a very short memory when it comes to "foreign" affairs, but remember the time the world was in outrage over Putin's anti-LGBTQ rulings, and the Neo-Nazi violence against Russian LGBTQ people? Yeah, that happened, and it didn't get any better, people just stopped caring. Also, if Putin is so concerned about Neo-Nazis then maybe he should have stopped financing and training them and other violent far-right groups, in other countries, Ukraine included. (And mine as well, for that matter.)

But of course he isn't actually concerned about all that, the whole thing is just propaganda that people who don't know any better will happily eat up.
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lolechka



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:17 am Reply with quote
Hi guys, I'm from Russia. We know about the war. We ARE against it. But protests are not effective there because Putin is sitting in his bunker and doesn't care.

Also, I understand why foreign companies withdraw their services. The secondary reason is being unable to withdraw money. The main one is that they want us, innocent people, to go and protests so the war stops and services we like could return.

But we don't exactly because of this. It's our government who is in wrong. Not the innocent citizen. Why should WE suffer anymore? We already do with this crazy inflation and bold Ukrainian attitude of "these russians are so lame, why don't they go protest for us lol".
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