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NEWS: Vendor Hospitalized After Anime NYC Accident, GoFundMe Campaign Underway




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casenumber00



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:16 am Reply with quote
I want to ask isnt it the employer's responsibility for their medical costs since they were struck while working? Could argue something from OSHA like Job Safety Analysis, Standard Operating Procedure, Site Specific Targeting Program, Work Site Analysis, etc., were not created or followed by employer to avoid hazards. Employer didn't train him to put cones out? didn't wear a high visible vest? Wasnt loading in a proper area? Oh course, I dont know the situation or scenario of how it happened but I want the company to pay for the person.
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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:37 am Reply with quote
casenumber00 wrote:
I want to ask isnt it the employer's responsibility for their medical costs since they were struck while working? Could argue something from OSHA like Job Safety Analysis, Standard Operating Procedure, Site Specific Targeting Program, Work Site Analysis, etc., were not created or followed by employer to avoid hazards. Employer didn't train him to put cones out? didn't wear a high visible vest? Wasnt loading in a proper area? Oh course, I dont know the situation or scenario of how it happened but I want the company to pay for the person.


This assumes that Anime Palace both employs him full-time and that Anime Palace is large enough to offer WCI. The site and/or promotor may have some form of liability insurance that could help offset medical expenses from an accident, but the agreement to sell at Anime NYC may also say that neither the Javits and the con are liable. Even if the Javits or the con are on the hook, the doctors/hospitals are likely going to want some form of payment within 90-120 days of his discharge and that's way to quick to expect payout from a worker's comp and definitely too slow for litigation.
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Tanteikingdomkey



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:01 pm Reply with quote
Please support his gofundme https://www.gofundme.com/f/medical-help-for-the-ultimate-anime-con-man

Since the article doesn't mention it here I will
@casenumber00
Due to the convention load in (and I am assuming) load out situation vendors where actually unable to use the "official" method for packing up their merchandise in and out of their transportation.
As such he was using the method that the vendors devised for themselves to actually get their merchandise packed up and almost died along this alternative route to his vehicle.

It seems like he tripped on something and then fell and got hurt that way. I will say it takes a lot to get the vendors to actually complain and upset about load in/out, and I have never seen them as upset as they were about this one before this came up.

Personally I would really appreciate a statement from the convention since they apparently have the CCtv footage of how he ended up in the ICU, since last I had heard NO ONE knew how wade had gotten so hurt.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:33 pm Reply with quote
This is what I heard anecdotally, so please do not misconstrue it as an official statement.

Load-in on Thursday went way, way later than was planned. What I heard from individuals familiar with the situation (i.e. they had booths), the convention immediately before Anime NYC itself was late loading out. My understanding is that it was some kind of "security convention" and I overheard people from that convention talking about it when I was at my hotel. There was a private event I was at Thursday night and I noticed people who would usually be there were not, that's when I was told by a vendor about the late load-in on Thursday. From what I was told, people were there until around or after 10pm Thursday night because of this delay.

Edit: reading the Gofundme, it sounds like "load in" isn't referring to set-up on Thursday but to getting equipment into the convention on Sunday to begin taking down booths?
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immortal1982



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:03 pm Reply with quote
ANN_Lynzee wrote:


Edit: reading the Gofundme, it sounds like "load in" isn't referring to set-up on Thursday but to getting equipment into the convention on Sunday to begin taking down booths?


I was at NYCC in October and i had heard vendors complaining about loading and unloading as well, but i dont exactly know the details to say if this was related as well.
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flammie



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:18 pm Reply with quote
I've been to their retail store in the past and Anime Palace definitely felt like a small mom and pop business. They would close the store when off at conventions.
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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:20 pm Reply with quote
ANN_Lynzee wrote:
Edit: reading the Gofundme, it sounds like "load in" isn't referring to set-up on Thursday but to getting equipment into the convention on Sunday to begin taking down booths?

I'm going to assume a typo, simply because anytime I helped vend, load-in and load-out meant start of show and end of show respectively.

I have not been to the Javits but my understanding is that on Thursday/Friday, Vendors unload their vehicles onto pallets and the Javits staff transport everything to the correct booth. There is some hand-carrying allowed, but the majority will be forklifted over. On Sunday, the process reverses itself. Otakon has worked very much the same way since it moved to DC.

Many sites have hard deadlines for Sunday load-out i.e. if you aren't out by X time, you're punished. My guy who was there said that there were a lot of newer/less experienced dealers at the show this year (especially since the Vendor Hall expanded) and their inexperience helped to exacerbate any issues that already present.
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Gina Szanboti



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:36 pm Reply with quote
"help-for-the-ultimate-anime-con-man" doesn't exactly strike me as a title to inspire trust and donations. oO I hope it does not, in fact, discourage donations.
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Tanteikingdomkey



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:05 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
"help-for-the-ultimate-anime-con-man" doesn't exactly strike me as a title to inspire trust and donations. oO I hope it does not, in fact, discourage donations.


It is an unfortunate pun that most vendors forget about after their first couple of year's
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ladybot



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:35 pm Reply with quote
Gina Szanboti wrote:
"help-for-the-ultimate-anime-con-man" doesn't exactly strike me as a title to inspire trust and donations. oO I hope it does not, in fact, discourage donations.


I seem to recall that he thinks some thoughts about some things, but no, he’s not a confidence man. “Anime con man” is not the best choice of wording when you put it like that, but neither is intoning that a guy who’s just ostensibly suffered brain damage after an accident—which has been verified to have happened—is a swindler. I’m in a bad way financially or I’d throw down a few bucks.

More than anything, I feel disbelief and sorrow when someone has to put together a Gofundme to finance their emergency medical care. This bill should be all set, like it would have been in most of the world. Neutral
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