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GATSU
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It sounds like Eva's dead to me. The last movie had a lot more staying power.
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testorschoice
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The last Eva movie, The End of Evangelion, made a total of 12.7 million American dollars during its entire 1997 run in Japan. Ten years after the franchise "ended," the current Eva movie has already made 11.2 million dollars in just four weeks, and it's still making money. And there's three more movies to go. Strange definition of "dead." 
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icepick314
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really?
was End of Evangelion also limited release like the renewal? still impressive the fact that less than 100 screens are showing in Japan... thank god i was able to watch it at a local theater... |
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testorschoice
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The End of Evangelion wasn't more or less limited in release than most other non-Ghibli anime movies. In fact, it didn't make much less than some big-budgeted imported films. The Fifth Element made about $14.9 million in Japan in 1997. Because there are less people than in America, less theaters and less theater seats per capita, and less of an all-ages movie-going culture in Japan, the box office returns of most films--Japanese, imported, live-action, or animated--are usually much less than that of American box offices returns, even for the same film. Even the first Pokemon movie made more than twice as much in America as it did in Japan. |
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GATSU
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In today's dollars, though, that'd be what, though? Twenty to twenty-five million? That's a helluva drop for the new one. And they lost their number 1 spot to a movie from SMAP, a group which has been around longer than the tv show, and which makes fun of popular shows like Eva. It's fairly clear that Gainax milked the series for far too long to the point of irrelevance. |
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darksideoftheanime
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Based off this calculator The End of Evangelion's total would be equal to $15,779,675.69. So it's not a giant increase but it is an increase never-the-less. |
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testorschoice
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Uh, thanks to Japan's flatlined economy, the inflation between 1997 and 2007 is not 200%. Actually, Japan experienced deflation of 0.3% to 0.9% per year during the years of 1999-2006. Prices are cheaper in Japan now than ten years ago.
Pretty shoddy analysis. Hero has only one member of SMAP. That's like ridiculing a movie for losing the number 1 spot to a movie from New Kids of the Block (that is, The Sixth Sense with Donnie Walberg). Last edited by testorschoice on Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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testorschoice
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Plus, that's a calcuator based on the inflation rate in the United States. In Japan, the economy actually experienced deflation during those years. |
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GATSU
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testor:
So that just proves that Evangelion made more money ten years ago.
Donnie Walberg wasn't the lead in that one, though. Nor did anyone see the movie specifically for him. |
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testorschoice
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Uh, double-check the math. It's deflation. It means the opposite.
Again, that's shoddy analysis that doesn't mean Evangelion is "dead." The End of Evangelion made less money in 1997 than Doraemon, which has been around longer than any of these franchises and which makes fun of popular shows. All of which is as irrelevant to whether a franchise is "dead" as ridiculing a movie by comparing it to a movie with one SMAP member. The bottom line is that this new Eva movie has made almost as much money in four weeks as the last Eva movie did in its entire run. That's not a definition of "dead." |
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GATSU
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testor:
It can't make more money, if it takes more people to see it to make up the difference.
But Doraemon isn't specifically about spoofing shows, while the same can't be said for SMAP's show.
They both theoretically appeal to the same demo, but Eva lost. Deal with it.
It is dead, when it's already slipping, while EOE was successful enough to have a longer run. |
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testorschoice
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Before, you said it's "dead." Now, you say (without proof) that it can't more money than the original. These are two different things. A later movie making 88% of the earlier movie's entire run in just four weeks is not an example of a "dead" franchise.
And again, Hero is not "SMAP's show." Hero is definitely not about spoofing shows either.
Deal with $11.2 million and climbing? I'm sure the creators are quite happy with dealing with that.  If you're defining "losing" and "dead" as being #2 to a movie with a SMAP member, then almost every Ghibli-less, -mon-less anime franchise is dead. What a nihilistic worldview.
I think more "living franchises" will be happy to have a #1 movie for one week.
Incidentally, you're still repeating that The End of Evangelion had a longer run. Proof, please. |
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Arcwave
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Hahahaha! Oh man this is funny.
Gatsu, even if EOE brought in more money, there is a good reason for it, and not just because EVA is "dead." I think that's a very ignorant statement from someone so renown on these forums. You should know better. Silly you. First of all, everyone knows that Rebuild is simply a facsimile of the original series; therefore, the anticipation level wouldn't be as extreme of that of EOE. I really don't need to say this because you should already realize it by now, but people were left hanging and upset from the original series, so it was practically inevitable that more people would go see EOE. I mean common, look at Halo 3's release... It's the same deal! People wanted to "Finish the Fight," well, they did. I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie did the same thing to Halo that Hideaki is doing to EVA in the next 10 years, and see similar results to that of Rebuild. Of course this is speculation, but it's a good point. So please don't use erroneous claims that Evangelion is "dead." Because that's far from the truth. All in all, I mean no offense. I just want you to further your thinking.
Best, /j |
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GATSU
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It can't make more money, because it's already on the decline in a shorter time than the last film. And the fact that it can't, in spite of the series being a consistent best-seller for the company, doesn't contradict my argument that it's "dead", since no one new has bought into it since the last movie.
True, but fans wouldn't be watching Hero, if it weren't for the variety show.
The other franchises are still going, while Gainax is just buying time with the Eva manga and videogames.
Superman Returns was #1 for a weekend, too, but that didn't really mean anything in the end.
Well, according to Tokyoscope, its total bailed out Toei during a bad year, so I'm assuming the company must have kept it in theaters for a while to insure that happened. |
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testorschoice
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Uh, proof please.
Even if you can provide proof--which you haven't--that's not a definition of a "dead" franchise. When a James Bond film in four weeks makes at least 88% of what a Bond film's entire run made a decade ago, that's not a sign of a "dead" franchise. That's a sign that almost as many--if not as many or more--new fans joined as the old fans who left.
That's nice. It'll be nicer if this had a point.
You keeping downplaying the #1 movie. Many franchises' mainstay is the manga. Not many franchises, living or "dead," have a #1 selling manga more than a decade after it started, though. Eva does.
Except a sequel with a planned shooting timeframe with a director and stars already attached, pending a possible writers' strike. Not many "dead" franchises have those.
And again, that total is $12.7 million. So a movie that made $12.7 million during its entire run is a supposed company-bailing success, but a movie that made $11.2 million in four weeks is a sign of "dead" franchise? |
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