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EmeraldSaucer
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It was obvious from the pedigree of the staff working on the show, to the timeline they've been working on it, to the trailer itself that there was no AI being used. What people should've actually been up in arms about is that an executive suite of out-of-touch techbros has made enough of a mess out of the production that it's taken this long to get any word from it despite the game coming out 6 years ago
But in a way I'm glad this whole debacle happened. It doesn't negatively impact Kutsuna or his team in any tangible way, it humbles a terrible company who is forced to openly prostrate themselves and say there's no AI usage despite their insistence on AI being the future, and it shines a spotlight on how ignorant people generally are regarding animation (see the frames of hands passed around as "proof") |
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Abbot
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It’s also interesting to note that when Lord of Mysteries was started airing, no one was calling it 'generative AI' despite the fact that it’s produced by Tencent the company heavily investing billions of dollars in AI. It’s also worth noting that the main staff behind the Sekiro anime adaptation have never used AI in their previous works, so I trust their creative process this time as well. Also for people that never heard of Qzil.la they never hide when they are using AI when the anime have AI on it they proudly say it "This Anime have AI" if they say it's not AI that means "it's not AI". Also the only AI anime coming from Qzil.la is "The Ideal Sponger Life" and their other projects like Sekiro: No Defeat and Champignon Witch which co-production with Typhoon Graphics are not using AI. Also for Sekiro hand drawn animation controversy is probably caused by human error (Maybe the key animation too rough, unpolished or flat out unfinished) because the in-between animators messed up the in-between animation because if you don't know the Key animation is not used for the final product and they used as to guide the in-between animators to draw the in-between frames it's basically similar to manga panels or storyboards that the key animators are using as a guide to key animate (or course they also using character design). Also looking to the comments seems like people just say it's AI because it's feel AI to them (even tho they don't have the evidence to prove that its AI) and also some people are just saying it's AI because they think it's AI (If they think its AI it's AI for them even if you give them the evidence that "it's not AI" it's still AI for them because that's why they think you will never change their brains) and they also don't trust other people because they only trusted themselves so you will never change their minds of how they think and they basically have trust issues and maybe because they have past trauma. Also there was one retarded or dumb person in this thread that calling fire hunter op AI because it's feel uncanny for them seriously? Are we living in the timeline that people calling unique animation AI? Also imagine calling uncanny animation AI? So that means Science Saru is also using AI becouse their animation is uncanny? People braincells nowadays are really not working properly. LMAO
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Glordit
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Took what... less than a year for people brains to be fried from AI to the point where they calling anything unique looking AI?
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Nekbone
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It could also be the finger thing people harped on because a couple years ago fingers were a problem some generative AI works had with an extra or missing finger. Although that's largely bene fixed with more recent technology. I've also seen people call any art they dislike as AI regardless though so it could just be a generic insult at this point. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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I was a little bit worried since the main thing I know this director from is the incredible OPs for the also-very-low-budget Vlad Love and Fire Hunter, and Fire Hunter's second season used a ton of seemingly-generated art stills that are incredibly uncanny valley when you look at them closely. Maybe that's a really tenuous connection to make, but the limited-but-stylish animation shown for Sekiro is really similar, the projects are totally connected in my head.
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Beatdigga
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One of the producers said they invested in AI, so when people saw a smear frame with multiple fingers, cue the accusations.
I think it’s telling that in a year AI has become a pretty dirty word for consumers, equating its use with low quality content and generic slop. |
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949070
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There's no way they'd just randomly produce a anime adaption of Sekiro after 6 years of the game coming out, I hope this means they're working on a Sequel game.
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GoGoGoFalco
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Isn't it the opposite? AI is so good now that schools, coding, and other avenues have to invest in AI detectors to ensure people aren't cheating since it's doing such a good job now that people are using it to cheat? And if people are mistaking human art for AI then it's more of a sign how good AI looks now that it's becoming indistinguishable. |
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Beatdigga
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No one will admit to it. And no, if the term for "bad art" is now "AI" then it says that despite the tech industry's attempts to convince people this is not a bubble and can replace humans in every field, the results say otherwise. Not to mention the increasing amount of stories of companies going all in on AI in everything from job interviews to drive-thru, screwing up colossally, and forcing companies to re-hire flesh and blood humans. |
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OrangeVision
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The studio literally wrote about using AI to optimize the animation or whatever on their website, so people were primed to blame weird things on that. |
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MarshalBanana
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Though, to be fair, every company out there going on and on about their new AI powered "insert name here" is making people paranoid about it. |
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EmeraldSaucer
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Of course people have been doing that for a very long time (hell, people have been very loudly complaining about Kutsuna's style since his episode of Naruto vs. Pain). But I think an important distinction is that those complaints have been solely a judgement of quality (or for the even less informed a condemnation of the animators as "lazy"), whereas AI has brought with it an added layer of proposed ethical wrongdoing |
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MFrontier
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Sad that they even needed to clarify this.
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Mizlude
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A couple weeks ago the company First 4 Figures put out a some new lines of figures called Figgyz and people accused them of using AI music for the promotions (in addition to the art being AI and bizarrely people calling them NFTs, which I think just shows how much brainrot these people have). The company came out and said it was not using AI for them and it was being sung by a real singer they hired but people accused them of lying so as a result they eventually let the woman go and would no longer use her for future ads because she "sounded too much like AI" to appease the haters. So that's at least one person who lost a job over AI, although not in the usual way people talk about. I feel the witch hunting is only going to get worse from here. |
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Egan Loo
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Not related to Sekiro, but strictly speaking, First 4 Figures did not say it "was not using AI," only that the vocals were performed by "a professional artist we work with for our tunes." The distinction is key, given that an artist of the same name offers "AI songs humanized : Recording and mixing — Lots of clients came with a good AI song to be humanized , to sing with real vocals. So this is my goal : do a great song and turn it into reality!" Vulture reported on another corporate client who asked a human artist (this time a visual one) not to create art from scratch, but to rework previously AI-generated concepts: animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2025-06-21/lionsgate-vice-chairman-we-can-remake-a-film-as-anime-in-3-hours-in-ai/.225206 Again though, this is not related to Sekiro. |
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