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INTEREST: Tokyo's Comic Market Updates Rules on Cosplay Exposure


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tsunayakuin



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:37 pm Reply with quote
This is bs, first e3 now this.
Has comic con been affected yet?
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:01 pm Reply with quote
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"failing to be fully and/or appropriately clothed, or wearing apparel or gesturing in a manner which is likely to provoke a disturbance or embroil others."


Wow, this rule is so broad, it's not even funny. Theoretically speaking:

* If i'm a religious zealot, I can find cosplayers being nuns or "soldiers of god" from anime to be offensive.
* If i'm a racist bigot, black cosplayers cosplaying anime/game characters that weren't black originally as inaccurate and offensive.
* If i'm a homophobe, crossdressers are offensive.
*If i'm some hyperactive parent, cosplay that shows cleavage to be offensive.

And so forth and so on.....
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Lizzie_B



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:25 pm Reply with quote
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"failing to be fully and/or appropriately clothed, or wearing apparel or gesturing in a manner which is likely to provoke a disturbance or embroil others."

I find it ironic considering half of the doujinshi at Comiket is heavily pornographic Confused
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zalas



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:52 pm Reply with quote
For people who know Japanese and want to read up, please refer to:
http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-p/C79/C79change.pdf for the C79 rules and
http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-p/C80/C80change.pdf for the C80 rules

For people who don't know Japanese, here's a quick and dirty translation:

C79 Rules on Prohibited Clothing re: Exposure

* You must wear underwear. NuBras are allowed.
* You are not allowed to wear costumes where you can directly see underwear or can see underwear through transparent clothing.
* This applies to underwear that is socially acceptable to show; please only let the straps show at the most.
* Please properly cover the chest and armpit areas.
* For skirts shorter than 1/2 the length of the thigh, or clothing with really long slits, please wear stockings, tights or leggings.

C80 Rules on Prohibited Clothing re: Exposure

1. Costumes without underwear
* Nipple bandages are not considered underwear; please wear underwear such as a bra.
* NuBras are okay.
* For swimsuits, please wear underwear or supporters underneath.
2. Costumes which directly show underwear or show underwear through transparent clothing
* This includes clothing where you can clearly see underwear when viewing from the chest area or the armpit area.
* Underwear must not be visible and at most 1/3 of the chest area can be exposed (females only)
* Bra straps that are considered socially acceptable to show are okay.
* Underwear-looking clothing that is worn above actual underwear will be treated as normal clothing, not underwear.
* Please be aware that there are cases where the type of fabric and the color of clothing can make underwear visible under clothing.
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Ashen Phoenix



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:23 pm Reply with quote
zalas wrote:
For people who know Japanese and want to read up, please refer to:
http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-p/C79/C79change.pdf for the C79 rules and
http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-p/C80/C80change.pdf for the C80 rules

For people who don't know Japanese, here's a quick and dirty translation:

C79 Rules on Prohibited Clothing re: Exposure

* You must wear underwear. NuBras are allowed.
* You are not allowed to wear costumes where you can directly see underwear or can see underwear through transparent clothing.
* This applies to underwear that is socially acceptable to show; please only let the straps show at the most.
* Please properly cover the chest and armpit areas.
* For skirts shorter than 1/2 the length of the thigh, or clothing with really long slits, please wear stockings, tights or leggings.

C80 Rules on Prohibited Clothing re: Exposure

1. Costumes without underwear
* Nipple bandages are not considered underwear; please wear underwear such as a bra.
* NuBras are okay.
* For swimsuits, please wear underwear or supporters underneath.
2. Costumes which directly show underwear or show underwear through transparent clothing
* This includes clothing where you can clearly see underwear when viewing from the chest area or the armpit area.
* Underwear must not be visible and at most 1/3 of the chest area can be exposed (females only)
* Bra straps that are considered socially acceptable to show are okay.
* Underwear-looking clothing that is worn above actual underwear will be treated as normal clothing, not underwear.
* Please be aware that there are cases where the type of fabric and the color of clothing can make underwear visible under clothing.

I see no problems with this whatsoever.

Long have I been disheartened to see cosplayers run around in outfits that by any rights would get them arrested for indecent exposure or for being mistaken as a prostitute outside of a convention, so I'm in full support of this rule change.

I support one's freedom to dress however one wishes, but at some point a line has to be drawn.
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motu



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:26 am Reply with quote
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but at some point a line has to be drawn.
Why? Honestly, I don't see any reason! Personally I don't see any harm even in public nudity. I don't know whether you're American or not, but it has always baffled me that many Americans seem to have a problem with public displays of the human body while they seem to have far less of a problem with their kids being exposed to lots of, even extreme, kinds of violence. I am a European and while I am sure there are prudish Europeans too and more open-minded Americans, I just don't get it! Please don't misunderstand me, I don't mean to put anyone down or even attack them. I just don't believe that there is any scientific evidence that shows that public displays of nudity have any kind of negative or harmful effect on anybody. I have also never believed in suppressing people's way of expressing themselves purely on the basis that their form of expression may be offensive to some or even many people. To me that is simply wrong. And no, I have no desire to expose myself and you'd better be thankful for that! Wink
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configspace



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:56 am Reply with quote
Ashen Phoenix wrote:
I support one's freedom to dress however one wishes, but at some point a line has to be drawn.

That's an oxymoron.. especially considering it's completely relative where, if any, should a line be drawn.

Sexy speed limit in Denmark! (nsfw)
Flashing Bodies / Action Five / "Arrebato Picante!" ("cosplay"; nsfw)
Sandra G. (nsfw)

http://goscandinavia.about.com/od/specialinterestadult/qt/sexualityinscan.htm

motu wrote:
I just don't get it!

simples, because:
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I am a European
Very Happy

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1067418.html
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They will also have to take an exam testing their compatibility with Dutch liberal values. The exam includes a movie featuring homosexuals kissing and a scene at a nude beach. The movie emphasizes the point that this is all part of normal life in the Netherlands.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:48 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
Ashen Phoenix wrote:
I support one's freedom to dress however one wishes, but at some point a line has to be drawn.

That's an oxymoron.. especially considering it's completely relative where, if any, should a line be drawn.


Yeah, it's relative. I believe the term is "community standards."
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cloud8100



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:57 am Reply with quote
lol armpit areas. Does that mean you can't wear a vest top or something?
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Danette-Anime-Otaku



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:46 am Reply with quote
motu wrote:
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but at some point a line has to be drawn.
Why? Honestly, I don't see any reason! Personally I don't see any harm even in public nudity. I don't know whether you're American or not, but it has always baffled me that many Americans seem to have a problem with public displays of the human body while they seem to have far less of a problem with their kids being exposed to lots of, even extreme, kinds of violence. I am a European and while I am sure there are prudish Europeans too and more open-minded Americans, I just don't get it!


Being a US citizen myself, it varies across the country. There are more open minded Americans that have no problem showing off his/her body, while they're are also who are very modest and don't think the human body should be displayed so much. Public events often do require that people not dress in "suggestive" attire. I think the dress code rules listed are appropriate. I wouldn't hold anything against a person who wore see through attire, but there would be others who wouldn't want to see somebody's bra through her costume.
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Hawkwing



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:54 am Reply with quote
I don't approve of this, just plain retarded!! Mad

configspace wrote:
Ashen Phoenix wrote:
I support one's freedom to dress however one wishes, but at some point a line has to be drawn.

That's an oxymoron.. especially considering it's completely relative where, if any, should a line be drawn.

Sexy speed limit in Denmark! (nsfw)
Flashing Bodies / Action Five / "Arrebato Picante!" ("cosplay"; nsfw)
Sandra G. (nsfw)

http://goscandinavia.about.com/od/specialinterestadult/qt/sexualityinscan.htm

motu wrote:
I just don't get it!

simples, because:
Quote:
I am a European
Very Happy

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1067418.html
Quote:
They will also have to take an exam testing their compatibility with Dutch liberal values. The exam includes a movie featuring homosexuals kissing and a scene at a nude beach. The movie emphasizes the point that this is all part of normal life in the Netherlands.


Now i want to move to denmark. Very Happy
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DCR



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:31 am Reply with quote
Damn, puritanism grows stronger every year in Japan!

Also, now that they are so concerned about morale, I wonder if Nazi cosplay are still allowed.
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samuelp
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:09 am Reply with quote
I think people are misconstruing the purpose of the rules "clarification".

Comiket has never really been about the cosplay... And recently from my experiences, what happens is you get a bunch of people who don't really cosplay, but are there for self publicity like Lenfried, etc, in very skimpy outfits, and throngs of photographers go around them.

Comiket is a market, not a convention. You go there to buy things, and check out the industry booths, and brave the lines and crowds.

I suspect the tightening of the rules is not because of any puritan stance, but simply to cut down on the number of attention seekers that get in the way of the real cosplayers. If they want to take soft-core porn pictures of themselves they can do it where it doesn't cause traffic issues.

So yeah, this isn't about showing skin in public: It's about the problem doing that causes for the rest of the participants, in my opinion.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:48 pm Reply with quote
hmm leggings, knee high socks and stockings are okay.. can i has a sexy teacher now?
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asimpson2006



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:56 pm Reply with quote
Anytime I see rules being cramped down to restrict freedoms I do not get happy.

I don't see the big deal about it as long as you don't cause harm to others. If you were causing harm then I can see that as a problem but otherwise I see nothing wrong with it.
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