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NEWS: Japan Aims to Be 1st With 4K Broadcasts in July 2014


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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:07 am Reply with quote
Remember, this doesn't necessarily mean anything for broadcast anime, some of which aren't even animated at 720p, absolutely none at 1080p (aside from background CGs). I doubt most anime films are even in full 1080p for all layers, and forget anything being done larger than that for a long while.

But hey, they can always play Giant Robo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:53 am Reply with quote
2014 FIFA World Cup in 4K. omg.
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potatochobit



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:07 am Reply with quote
I'm sure all 30 mitsubishi employees will be happy they can watch something on their new TVs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:37 am Reply with quote
I don't think i can trust anything being broadcasted via the 'BS' satellite system Laughing
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TheAnagelic1



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:57 am Reply with quote
And just when I got my first HDTV too. T.T Suppose this'll mean another new format to "replace" Blu Ray at some point too...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:53 am Reply with quote
Won't matter much until supporting displays/TVs increase in numbers. But on the other hand that's a trickle until there's content available so I guess this is a good move. Hmm, should I have chicken, or scrambled eggs?...

Hopefully this will also put pressure on replacing bluray which is inherently limited in this regard and will be more or less relegated to sd content if this takes off.

And as walw6pK4Alo pointed out it will matter even less for anime, though as technology/computer power/software/production methods develop I think we'll see some examples.

For online, well, there's 4k concept files out there that play on any of the major players, so in that regard I doubt anything much will change...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:31 am Reply with quote
Great, i can't wait until 4K become standard. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:19 am Reply with quote
I think this one is getting into the " We do these silly things so you don't have to. " category.

Have fun guys.

Mark Gosdin
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:36 am Reply with quote
Blanchimont wrote:
Hopefully this will also put pressure on replacing bluray which is inherently limited in this regard and will be more or less relegated to sd content if this takes off.
There's been a lot of work on creating BDs with absurd capacities, some of which work with standard drive hardware. The 4K standard's even in the works.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:47 am Reply with quote
I think 4K broadcasts will be aimed primarily for live-action events like TV dramas and sports. Of course, that means the Toei Company may have to rebuild its well-known Kyoto live-action studio so the historical sets don't look bad at 4K resolution....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:41 pm Reply with quote
I like the concept of 4K, more resolution is usually for the better, but I just don't realistically see it taking over all broadcasting, not so soon after broadcasting (in North America and Japan) had finally given the boot to standard definition NTSC after half a century.
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Sam Murai



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:59 pm Reply with quote
How can you go for broadcasting in 4K when it's struggle as is just to do 1080p? Then again, it's probably best to keep in mind that this is via satellite and not through more "traditional" means, where standards and signal allocation are more sizable walls to conqueror.

I get 4K and even 8K (& its 22.2 set-up… Rolling Eyes ) for larger and stadium-level screens, and that we are getting better at more expansive storage media, but this dash to these exotic resolutions, particularly on the consumer level, is very premature. 1080p, the current highest caliber on that plateau, isn't ubiquitious enough on all levels in a comfortable and manageble form for manufacturers and tech companies to now jump to an even more hefty and unwieldy format like 4K. In terms of broadcasting, I'd rather see a focus on making 1080p available through wide terrestrial means first (from delivery to production) than 4K through a more limited scope.

walw6pK4Alo wrote:
Remember, this doesn't necessarily mean anything for broadcast anime, some of which aren't even animated at 720p, absolutely none at 1080p (aside from background CGs). I doubt most anime films are even in full 1080p for all layers, and forget anything being done larger than that for a long while.

But hey, they can always play Giant Robo.


Heh, this…
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NGK



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:37 pm Reply with quote
what the effing eff man... 4k UHD

I'd rather the ATSC in North America take a painless, incremental but beneficial approach by adopting 1080p.

1080p resolution in 24/60 fps is currently only found on Blu-ray...this needs to be adopted in broadcast format with the same data compression as blu ray and not look lossy when you watch on air.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:49 pm Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
There's been a lot of work on creating BDs with absurd capacities, some of which work with standard drive hardware. The 4K standard's even in the works.


1. BD's with multiple layers that go up to 100gb are merely prototypes... not ready for prime time.
2. Sony's newly unveiled Mastered in 4K BD titles is NOT 4K native. What it does is plays back video in 1080p -> hardware upconversion -> display in 4K (3,840 x 2,160) resolution. To many videophiles, artificial upconversion is a big no-no.
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Mr Adventure



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:50 pm Reply with quote
TheAnagelic1 wrote:
And just when I got my first HDTV too. T.T Suppose this'll mean another new format to "replace" Blu Ray at some point too...


Its my understanding that filesizes for true 4K resolution are so large that physical media is just completely impractical for storing it. Expect the next generation to be pretty much all direct download/steaming to terabyte sized hard-drives.

That being said 4K has a way to go before becoming adopted as the standard. Its still very expensive technology (much like 1080p in its infancy) and ultimately the increased clarity is pretty much negligible to the naked eye. Especially at hpme TV sizes.

The implementation of this system is a good idea however. Since it perfectly handles the 1080p standard, it'll just be forward compatible with future standards. That's good forward planning even if it doesn't really impact consumers yet.
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