Forum - View topicNEWS: Japan Animation Creators Assoc. Adds Opposition to New Child Porn Revision Bill
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RyanSaotome
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I don't think its being radical to say that if this bill passes, the late night anime industry will die within the next 10 years. If the most profitable stuff can't be made anymore, then the more "Serious" and "well-written" stuff won't be able to get made since there would be no money from popular shows to take risks on stuff that won't sell. Its a snowball effect that basically ruins the industry for everyone.
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revolutionotaku
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Big Brother's Watching You.
Meanwhile, We're Watching Big Brother. The tables have been turned. |
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configspace
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Yep. The news today about Sentai's Elfen Lied release? Child Porn!
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SoraChanShadow
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I hope we see riot in the streets of tokyo if that passed. Form What I been hearing this sound more like a anti otaku bill than protecting childrens form child porn.
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11G4GUNOT
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WRONG! |
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Kebble
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I don't think this will ruin the anime industry... not even close. When we're talking about childpornography, it's a refrence to anime characters who're less than 18 and adult characters drawn to look like children that are depicted in a sexual way (etc). I really don't think this means policing fan service in shows like Hayate, as much as it would change certain borderline scenes in shows like ToLoveRu. The government has the best intentions, but if they can't provide enough evidence that anime depicted child pornography (fanservice, etc) isn't influencing their culture in a negative way, they're probably going on an all out witchhunt. There's stuff out there which needs to be toned down, but on the otherhand there's a lot of series which mean no harm in the way they sexually depict minors. Either way, the Japanese government has to make a statement that its laws are serious for the first year or so. After awhile, stuff will leak through the cracks to the point where the government says "to hell with enforcing this BS". I mean, if the number of child molestation cases don't decrease while a ban is in effect then the government is almost forced to admit that anime/manga isn't the catalyst for an attack... therefore there's another reason to no longer enforce the bill towards anime.
Don't get me wrong, I oppose the bill, but I don't think this spells out the apocalypse for anime. Well, if people want to fear monger in order to build opposition to this bill, I won't stop them. For many of us, our prefrences of anime are in danger of being temporarily censored. You can't tell me over the years that you haven't been curious what the effect of watching anime (playing violent videogame, etc) does the brains of certain people. If, like most point out, the questionable material doesn't instigate violence then we have an answer to shove in the face of every cranky politician with a grudge against society. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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If this child porn bill passes, it's the beginning of the end of the anime/manga industry. The Japanese government is only exacerbating the problem concerning child porn if they're including fictional works as their target of illegal material.
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ScruffyKiwi
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I think you are underestimating the impact that this will have. Sure for most ANIME (excepting something like ToLove Ru Darkness) it won't be a problem but for manga and the whole doushinji fan art it will cause MASSIVE problems. Any school age male/female in a sexual situation will be banned, which will remove a huge chunk of the current Comket! A large chunk of Hentai will also be rulled as child porn. |
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disturbing
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That is the worse thing I have ever read on here. Hopefully they can kill this bill. |
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FenixFiesta
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The saying "the road to hell is pathed in good intentions", and that is what the bill is towards the anime/manga/DJ industry, simply the quick path to hell because Government officials don't give a damned about "those otaku". |
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Kit-Tsukasa
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People underestimate the damage this bill can do in the long-term. It's not just about the short-term censoring or removal of ecchi/loli/fanservice titles, but this could very well lead to something even more negative. Who remembers the School Days and Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai incidences from 7 years ago and the fiasco that caused? The after effects still remain in a lot of TV airings to this day and even on the BD/DVD releases for a handful of titles.
This is an example of Japan's government (and most governments for that matter...see regulating video games as part of gun control) not tackling the source of the problem and rather using a scapegoat to "please the public." Yes, otakus are looked down upon, but last I checked, they make up a small fraction of the adult population. Chances are, this bill will run people out of jobs more than it will get your otaku population to become social and start making babies. Furthermore, when Japan is also trying to simultaneously aggressively stimulate its economy after a lost decade (almost two), I think it's definitely approaching these social problems wrong way. |
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TitanXL
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Which is found in a ton of anime. A lot of the big giants like Doraemon, Detective Conan, Digimon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Naruto, and other popular shows would be hit by this. Doraemon and Conan alone being pulled would really damage the mainstream anime market. |
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FuriFuu
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If these type of bills are further passed they will no doubt hinder and possibly destroy the medium of Japanese cartoonist creativity as we know it.
No longer will artist be able to create the visions of their stories or characters without fear of imprisonment. No longer will readers be able to flip through their favorite manga without fear of imprisonment due to these bills. We will be seeing less creativity, the dullness of character development, and a strain upon manga/anime as a whole as companies and artists are forced to self-censor themselves or ought-right abandon titles or face jail-time. We will no longer see creative and engaging visual novels such as Saya no Uta or Dance in the Vampire Bund due to these laws. Or any possible future titles similar to the two mentioned above. Older and more classical block-buster like titles will be surely effected and may possibly even cease to exist, they may be even destroyed all together. Those who believe that this will <not> affect manga or anime in anyway will be caught in a wake-up surprise. If one bill is passed, others will follow it. Who is to not say a bill will be revised to ban what is considered violent manga or anime? This attempt has already been made by Ishirara. Now another party is riding off the coat-tails of regulating and penalizing both Japanese Creators, Free-Lance Artists, and their readers and fans. Who says another bill won't be create where even adult manga with so called "adult" characters will not be regulated as well? We've seen the same issues happen in other countries. Where even adult manga was considered inappropriate, for adults. The fans of manga anime and Japanese cartoonist must start standing up for their freedom of speech to read and create their stories and their characters. A murder who commits a murder and ruins lives, should go to prison. But I do not believe artists <including> or readers should go to prison for fictional media when 0 people are harmed in it's creation. |
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andyseed
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If this bill is past it's the death of late night anime , most light novels and loads of manga .
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relentlessflame
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This is so completely backwards. First, you've bunched a whole bunch of "etc." into this nebulous definition, and then you're justifying their investigation based on them "not being able to provide enough evidence that it's a bad influence". And that's exactly the problem: it's a solution looking for a (pre-supposed) problem, and then committing to taking action if (when) the problem is confirmed. Note that there's no third-party/objective oversight being suggested for said investigation. It should be the reverse: solve the problems where there is enough evidence first. And we know that anything that causes real children to get hurt is completely unacceptable. Solving this clear problem is infinitely more important because actual lives are at stake. And within that domain, if there is any connection to any other medium, it can be found through that process.
Even if that were the case, the law makes absolutely no distinction about the purpose, intent, or artistic value of the work. The government and police are allowed to use 100% their own "discretion" in deciding what series "mean harm" and which ones don't. And so the people producing the stuff are constantly left wondering where the line is, and fearful of crossing it and getting arrested/fined/thrown in jail. It's like the police having the power to pull a driver over for driving either too fast or too slow, but the speed limits aren't posted anywhere and are subject to each cop's personal opinion. That's tyranny. It's an unreasonable way to live, and no laws should be written that way.
Apparently, novels are being exempted from the proposed investigation because, basically, "kids don't typically read novels". But what does that have to do with the supposed connection they want to investigate? Who knows... |
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