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Nekozuki85



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:43 am Reply with quote
Exposure=Good Smile

(Exposure of Pirating, Illegal D/L, & What Not)=BAD!!! Evil or Very Mad
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:17 am Reply with quote
cadetguenthoer wrote:
Exposure=Good :)

(Exposure of Pirating, Illegal D/L, & What Not)=BAD!!! :evil:


Indeed. I don't want to see what's happened to online music happen to my anime downloads.
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HeeroTX



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:50 am Reply with quote
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It features a significant focus on technical apsects of peer-to-peer file sharing, as well as quite unapologetically discusses which titles, often licensed, that the writer has recently downloaded.

Of course, it also includes this little gem: Plus, I was stoned the whole time, so, if I can do it, you can too. so I dunno how much credance people will give to it. Just like the record companies are the ones going after music sharing, it would fall to the anime companies to chase this, and they are already aware of this activity. That's not to say the condone or endorse it, but I know they are aware that it's happening.
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michaelrigoni



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:16 am Reply with quote
Anyone who downloads Anime should be sued just like anyone who downloads music, I don't want to see my favorite Animes to go up in price just because some punk kid decided he'd break the law and get an entire series for free.
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gambitt



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:22 pm Reply with quote
Oh get off it, don't go drama-queen on this issue. It's some stupid little article in the corner of a page of a paper barely anyone cares about in NYC.
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xyz



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:20 pm Reply with quote
umm.... I don't think it's too bright to expose underground works.

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Nagisa
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 7:27 pm Reply with quote
michaelrigoni wrote:
Anyone who downloads Anime should be sued just like anyone who downloads music, I don't want to see my favorite Animes to go up in price just because some punk kid decided he'd break the law and get an entire series for free.


And if it's unlicensed? Last I checked, no one had the US distribution rights to Uchuu no Stellvia or Scrapped Princess.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:12 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
And if it's unlicensed? Last I checked, no one had the US distribution rights to Uchuu no Stellvia or Scrapped Princess.


legally, there's no difference.

after all, you could buy the japanese dvds. no one's stopping you from doing that. in fact, there are companies like Amazon.co.jp and CDJapan.co.jp that exist for the purpose of making your importing life easier. :)
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michaelrigoni



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:18 pm Reply with quote
gambitt wrote:
Oh get off it, don't go drama-queen on this issue. It's some stupid little article in the corner of a page of a paper barely anyone cares about in NYC.


Actually I was commenting on piracy in general, not about the article. Sorry if it sounded like that.
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Nagisa
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:32 pm Reply with quote
Cookie wrote:
Nagisa wrote:
And if it's unlicensed? Last I checked, no one had the US distribution rights to Uchuu no Stellvia or Scrapped Princess.


legally, there's no difference.

after all, you could buy the japanese dvds. no one's stopping you from doing that. in fact, there are companies like Amazon.co.jp and CDJapan.co.jp that exist for the purpose of making your importing life easier. Smile


Sadly, there still exists a language barrier. Of course, $290 and routine weekly drives back & forth to Atlanta (an hour) could remedy that in a few years, but that's assuming I can cough up the $290. Sad

Anyway, I'm well aware it's still technically illegal. But the people who depend on fansubs to gauge series popularity and ultimately make decisions as to their next licensing venture turn a blind eye to that aspect of the practice, so I just see it as helping them decide what to bring over next for me TO BUY.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:13 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
But the people who depend on fansubs to gauge series popularity and ultimately make decisions as to their next licensing venture turn a blind eye to that aspect of the practice


yes, that was quite true... in 1995.

But it's not 1995 anymore. Companies don't rely on fansubs to gauge popularity. It's 2003, and companies like ADV have licensed (or co-produced) titles that haven't even been announced IN JAPAN yet. I recall ADV saying that they more-or-less had their production schedule through 2006 worked out.

What's happening is -- some of these companies have licensed titles so far in advance that if they announced those titles now, they would still be a year away until it enters the production cycle.

These were lessons that the companies learned back in 2000-2001 (Kare Kano, anyone?). Since then, companies like Pioneer (now Geneon, yes yes...) would announce things only 9 months in advance. ADV still has a somewhat bad reputation for "taking forever" on their releases, although now they're more into the 9-12 month range from announcement to release.

If ADV were to, say, license Kodomo no Omocha right now, they probably wouldn't be able to _produce_ it until late 2004 or early 2005 at the earliest.. They simply have too many other titles already in production. If they announce it now, it would also throw marketting out of whack -- is it possible to pump a series _2_ years in advance, and to keep that momentum up until its release?

Companies are choosing to license titles and _not_ announce them because of the PR and marketting issues involved..

.. but it comes at the cost of "allowing" fansubbers to make these titles. If the company came forward and said, "Hey, we've got the rights to XYZ!", even privately to a fansubbing group, sooner or later word would get around and suddenly it would be "common knowledge" that the company is holding the title. Without being able to get NDAs from fansubbers, there's really nothing the companies can do to protect themselves short of _announcing_ the title...

... but as I said above, that ruins the marketting for the title. It would be nice if the companies could make something like an escrow for anime licenses...

like, a website with a list of KNOWN licenses, submitted by the companies, but the companies who submitted the licenses are kept secret until THEY wish to disclose who they are. something like that..
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JETBLACK87



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:26 pm Reply with quote
Cookie wrote:
after all, you could buy the japanese dvds. no one's stopping you from doing that.


they are stopping us, or at least trying...its called region codes.
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Kalium



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:56 pm Reply with quote
It's not hard to get ahold of a region-free DVD player. Or one that selects the region, for that matter. It's also easy to get the firmware upgrade to do that for your computer!
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Ariolander



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:19 pm Reply with quote
I am all for more exposure but I frown upon the advertizing of D/Ls... I am not saying that I don't have my own fansubs but I will tell you this now near every series I likes subbed I ended up buying later on... .hack//sign .hack//dusk shaman king...
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