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Wrathful
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You are there discussing the history of Shoot'em ups and not even a mention of Panzer Dragoon Series. I know it's a cult franchise but still I find it more important than Ikaruga if I dare say.
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Shadowrun20XX
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Each new Mana game is more disappointing than the game that proceeded it. Still to this day. WHY!
Looks like persona will no longer go forward. Instead hang in limbo between 3 and 4. Fun while it lasted. |
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potatopurplexs3
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I don't think Panzer Dragoon is considered a shoot-em-up since it's an on-rails shooter. It's truly a shame shoot-em-ups aren't popular anymore. Many of the games that I can play over and over and never get tired of come from the genre, such as Gradius III. I also find it really stupid when people make the argument that "all shmups look and play the same" when most FPS games, especially modern ones, are all generic, grey, and bland and have the same weapons, levels, characters, and plotlines. |
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DRWii
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I don't think Atlus is really trying to imply that Rei and Zen are going to be ongoing characters, it seems they're just saying "yes, the events of this game actually happened." Doesn't matter to me since I was going to play it anyway, and I honestly kind of wish Atlus didn't feel the need to state whether it's canon or not.
...You do know "Persona 5" is coming out in less than a year, right? |
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Paul Soth
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So, where does Touhou fit into the history of shooters?
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terminus24
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Wait... Persona Q is canon? Didn't see that coming.
I'm much more excited for it now knowing that. |
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Lord Geo
Posts: 2545 Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey |
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I have always been a fan of shoot-em-ups (and also don't care for the term "shmup"), so I've tried to support new releases as much as I can. I will admit, though, that I definitely appreciate the ones that encourage repeat plays through stuff like limiting credits at the beginning & whatnot. As much as Cave shooters are really damn good, it was sometimes hard to go back to games like Guwange, Mushihime-sama, or Akai Katana knowing that I can always just credit-feed my way through them. Sure, I do try to limit myself, but then I think about games like Ikaruga, the Castle of Shikigami series, Einhander, or Raiden IV, all of which make me earn my credits while also allowing me to feel like I'm learning how each of them play.
In fact, one of my favorite shooters of all time is Mars Matrix on the Dreamcast. The game mechanics were fun, the music was awesome, and the graphics were cool, but the best part was how it handled unlocking extra content. Whenever you get Game Over the points you earned become the currency you can buy stuff from the shop. Literally, you have to buy everything, including extra credits & Free Play, and because of this the game made you become a better player. If you wanted to earn enough points to use as currency to buy something you had to figure out how the scoring system worked while also becoming good enough to get through a lot of the game on one credit. It encouraged skilled gameplay while still being welcoming to less-experienced players. Or, hell, even just allow the player to select how many continues are allowed during gameplay. Raiden Fighters Aces did that, and so I never selected Free Play anytime I played one of the three games on that collection. Why more shooters don't offer options like this & simply say, "Here's Free Play right from the start, do what you want," honestly astounds me. |
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Greed1914
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Having Persona Q be canon presents the question of why the characters of 3 and 4 didn't know each other at the start of Arena. I'm guessing there will be some sort of memory wipe afterwards.
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Panzer Vor
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If the Persona 3 movies are also canon, that also presents a contradiction regarding the name of the P3 protagonist, as the movies use "Makoto Yuki" while PQ uses "Minato Arisato" (which also begs the question as to why they still insist on using "Yu Narukami" for the P4 protag). Consistency, how does it work? |
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DRWii
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They only have names in the trailers for "PQ"; in the actual game, you're prompted to name both characters yourself. |
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GospelX
Posts: 185 Location: Ann Arbor, MI |
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Yes, Unicorn was worth finishing. It definitely had the usual UC tropes, but there was a sequence in the last installment that played out beautifully.
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Vaisaga
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I'm gonna have to say that if you were sick of Unicorn by episode 4, the rest of it probably won't change your mind.
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Ziko577
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There's a 5 on the way but it won't be until late this year. At least from what I know, they've been developing it in secret for a while. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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Wait. Money that none of them show up on time. Naw I like Megaten, cant say that. |
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meiam
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Wowow, sure legend of mana is no seiken densetsu 3, but it still one of the most amazing game visually and musically (visually it's better than 90% of game release nowadays).
As for dynasty warrior gundam, the problem is they release too many, too quick with not enough difference between them. Most of the story mission where pretty disappointing, partly because they decided to focus on the main character fight, so you could only have 3-5 battle per character, many of which where in very similar environment (I think they should have made alongside the hero story battle some sort of "average grunt" mode where you'd play as a regular soldier and slowly get access to better suit as the story would progress, this way you could fight in more battle that didn't involve the main cast). The original "story" (I use the term loosely, they were just an excuse to have all the character fighting each others, a pretty bad excuse in most case) where really uninteresting and very repetitive, so buying a new one isn't very interesting. I do agree that the unicorn mech are interesting (for the mech design, gundam unicorn is better than porn, sadly it's story and character are also about as good as porn), but 4 new MS does not make me shell out 40$. |
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