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ANN_Bamboo
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:23 pm Reply with quote
... Why not just... release them in order? With a series like Conan that's so episodic, nothing's gained at all by giving fans a "sneak preview."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:57 pm Reply with quote
SakechanBD wrote:
... Why not just... release them in order? With a series like Conan that's so episodic, nothing's gained at all by giving fans a "sneak preview."


Hear, Hear.

As long as they list them as "episodes 53-55" on the packaging and everything and not "episodes 5-7". I'd like to have my releases in-order, thanks.

I'm going to pick up the "Starter Set", but... that's just bizarre. People who pick up the "Starter Set" who like to have complete collections (like myself) will be waiting for that moment when they finally get through episodes 5-52 so that their collection looks correct and not a random collection of discs. Razz

...I'm suddenly reminded of the Lupin III out-of-order episodes - but that was due to something about Hitler being in one of the first episodes, right? Not a "preview" situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:27 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, when I read about this, I wanted to ask who was over at Funi who was smoking crack. Laughing

Honestly, I'm the type who wants to watch things in order... now I really don't like having to sit around waiting for 1-2 years to watch a DVD. And what is the deal with 3 episodes on the DVD? With a 300+ episode series, it seems pretty crazy and take up waaaaayyyyy to much space to put that many DVD's out. Help reduce the waste and give us more eps per DVD than that!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:53 pm Reply with quote
Actually, I’m not surprised. Correct me if I’m wrong but, aren’t they releasing Dragonball GT the same way?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:13 pm Reply with quote
In the case of DBGT, they also aired the episodes on TV out of order. If they're going to air Case Closed in order though, I don't see why they would think people would get their jollies watching episodes 50+.

If they wanted to use the whole "not yet shown on TV!" gimmick, why not just release each DVD 2 weeks in advance before the episodes are slated to air?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:26 pm Reply with quote
SakechanBD wrote:
If they wanted to use the whole "not yet shown on TV!" gimmick, why not just release each DVD 2 weeks in advance before the episodes are slated to air?

I once asked about that, and I was told there was a rule (probably Cartoon Network's?) that episodes shown on TV can't be sold on DVD until at least two months after they've aired. (And that's why we so rarely see firm release dates for anime that's going to be on TV...would explain the GitS delay.)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:56 pm Reply with quote
Miagi wrote:
SakechanBD wrote:
If they wanted to use the whole "not yet shown on TV!" gimmick, why not just release each DVD 2 weeks in advance before the episodes are slated to air?

I once asked about that, and I was told there was a rule (probably Cartoon Network's?) that episodes shown on TV can't be sold on DVD until at least two months after they've aired. (And that's why we so rarely see firm release dates for anime that's going to be on TV...would explain the GitS delay.)


What about FLCL? Didn't CN air that shortly after the third DVD was released? And you said a show can't be sold on DVD until after it's aired. So how can they sell episodes from the 50's when those won't air for a while? Or is there also a rule where a DVD can be sold XXX months before it airs?

Something tells me Funimation is just trying to screw over fans again. I'm really trying as hard as i can to not hate them... i mean, they have Tenchi GXP.... but i don't know what i'll do if they start doing this with a lot of series.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:57 pm Reply with quote
rage-demon wrote:
What about FLCL? Didn't CN air that shortly after the third DVD was released? And you said a show can't be sold on DVD until after it's aired. So how can they sell episodes from the 50's when those won't air for a while? Or is there also a rule where a DVD can be sold XXX months before it airs?

I think the TV deal was quite a while after FLCL was already being released, so that "rule" probably applies only to new (not yet released) shows. Hm, this might be worth asking CN about...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:04 pm Reply with quote
Tamakun wrote:

...I'm suddenly reminded of the Lupin III out-of-order episodes - but that was due to something about Hitler being in one of the first episodes, right? Not a "preview" situation.


The hitler was the only episode of Lupin III released out of order. Interestingly enough, there was a preview shown for that episode on Adult Swim. Why bother showing the preview if you're not gonna show the actual episode?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:37 pm Reply with quote
Seriously, what the hell are they doing with this show? Keep in mind that I don't really care one way or the other, but it's all rather confusing. They're changing the names, releasing the DVDs out of order - it doesn't really make any sense.

Mainly because I can't possibly see Detective Conan being a hit with any large amount of American audience. It's long, really long, too gory for the Toonami set, too kiddie for the Adult Swim set, and furthermore it's just a wierd show in general. An entertainingly wierd show, but a wierd one nonetheless.

I mean, a high-school kid in a grade-schooler's body, who SOLVES CRIMES with his solar-powered skateboard. Yes.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:52 am Reply with quote
sigh.... funimation...

Conan is cool and all, but I'm really glad Funi doesn't own and therefore do something like this to something i REALLY care about... like, say, Kodocha. OH WAIT Anime cry

No, this really doesn't make sense. Is it done maliciously, to screw over the fans? no, but it certainly doesn't make sense/help us either =/
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:22 am Reply with quote
I'm wondering if they're going to release both the first and the third seasons consecutively on DVD...

Seriously, what are they smoking over there? It's definately not something that gives them any common sense.

At least they released FruBa alright... slow, but alright... *sigh* I can see the 3 episode Kodocha DVDs, though. I wish they'd stick with 5-7 episodes on a DVD. They'd be every anime fan's favorite company if they did that.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:01 am Reply with quote
That's just it though... I think a 3 ep per DVD release of any large series is going to scare potential buyers away. The fact of the matter is, that people are going to do the math and realize that 24.95 per DVD with a series that will span 34 DVD's is just too large of an investment to make. It's exactly what the fan community doesn't want.

at 34 DVD's X 24.95 = 848.30

at 25 DVD's X 29.95 = 748.75

Now at 17 DVD's (6 eps per, like FB) X 39.95 = 679.15

I suspect they will get a better selling point if they do increase the eps per DVD, but I'm not holding my breath.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:45 am Reply with quote
Godaistudios wrote:
That's just it though... I think a 3 ep per DVD release of any large series is going to scare potential buyers away. The fact of the matter is, that people are going to do the math and realize that 24.95 per DVD with a series that will span 34 DVD's is just too large of an investment to make. It's exactly what the fan community doesn't want.

at 34 DVD's X 24.95 = 848.30

at 25 DVD's X 29.95 = 748.75

Now at 17 DVD's (6 eps per, like FB) X 39.95 = 679.15

I suspect they will get a better selling point if they do increase the eps per DVD, but I'm not holding my breath.


Yeah, agreed on that. That is a steep price, all things considered.

With Fruits Basket, they released 4 DVDs for the entire 26-episode run at a higher price-point - but apparently that higher price-point scared enough people away that they've gone back to 3-4 episodes a disc. *sigh*

I can understand the logic of 3-4 episodes on one-season, 26-episode shows, like FuruBa, but 3-4 episodes on a 300+ series, not including the specials and movies? Shocked

Why not do what "ADV Fansubs" did and release full seasons in boxes right from the get-go? Since it's being broadcast on TV, there's no real need to rent the first disc to see if they like it...

EDIT: I also find it kinda funny that I can't find purchasing information for "Case Closed" anywhere as of yet - it all jumps to a Roswell DVD. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:19 am Reply with quote
Godaistudios wrote:
That's just it though... I think a 3 ep per DVD release of any large series is going to scare potential buyers away. The fact of the matter is, that people are going to do the math and realize that 24.95 per DVD with a series that will span 34 DVD's is just too large of an investment to make. It's exactly what the fan community doesn't want.

at 34 DVD's X 24.95 = 848.30

at 25 DVD's X 29.95 = 748.75

Now at 17 DVD's (6 eps per, like FB) X 39.95 = 679.15

I suspect they will get a better selling point if they do increase the eps per DVD, but I'm not holding my breath.


Most of Funi's dvds only cost between 16.95-19.95 where I've been shopping for them (Wal-Mart and FYE).

25 dvds x 19.95 = 498.75

I dont think getting 3-4 episodes for 20 dollar dvds is that bad of a deal. But there are a few considerations here, Dectective Conan is a Toei title correct? Most Toei anime titles are notorious for having a minimal amount of episodes per dvd. Hell it might be part of Toei's contract that Funi distributes these dvds with a said amount of episodes.

The other thing is, making the most out the maximum amount of sales potential in the dvds. DragonBall Z dvds sell like crazy, despite having only 3-4 episodes and retailing anywhere from 16-24 dollars depending on where you shop, but they still sell, regardless of episode count. Same thing can be done with Detective Conan, it was brillently done with Yu Yu Hakusho!

Hell in the future, we may just get a Conan boxset for each season just like YYH, get like 7-8 dvds for 99 bucks
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