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INTEREST: As CW's Vortexx Block Disappears, So Does Saturday Morning Cartoons


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Veniamin



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:41 pm Reply with quote
To be perfectly honest, it's Saban that heavily butchered most of THE products he bought over. Digimon's cast became insufferable, judgmental, and a made terrible puns along the way. especially Mimi, she went from a laidback, honest but unsure girl to a trashy airhead in the dub.

And this little trend kind of infected with 4kids doing the same with most of their shows. Sonic X's dub was heavily censored and unbearable but if you watched it originally, it's quite an inviting anime.

To REALLY bring back Saturday Morning cartoons is by asking for a partnership with Viz Media and others to make a proper channel which can be 2nd to Toonami. Funimation Channel for example.

This minimal effort in providing a show in it's honest form is still continuing even with Pokemon right now. the original cast of Pokemon were dropped for no reason and were replaced with barely "similar" voices. you also have stock music that replaces everything, including important parts in the anime in a poor effort to outsource their version. you might ask yourself "But how is music important in this factor"? Can you actually feel hyped up in a Pokemon battle that re-uses the same one-beat track with no full extent of their instruments? They care about money, yet they're doing it the wrong way? It makes no sense. That's why it's barely surviving on Cartoon Network and is even being overshadowed by Ben 10. Look how far behind they are in XY.



Saturday Morning Cartoons didn't die by us, they died because their Licensors don't care. I might get shit for this because of memories, but I feel like kids could have enjoyed it more if companies weren't so afraid of the message.


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Hoppy800



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:42 pm Reply with quote
RIP, Technology and Tyranny marches on, almost everyone who watches cartoons and anime these days do it online, there are just so many legal and illegal options where you can watch them anytime, anywhere and in any watchable quality that TV could never keep up, the average consumer wants their media now or when it's convenient and often doesn't watch it on cable or satellite and instead they use a monitor, tablet, Internet connected smart TV, or a smartphone.

The regulations are terrible, really a mandate for educational programming on Saturdays, Why? What's the point now since 24 hr educational channels exist these days?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:48 pm Reply with quote
Thanks, ham-fisted, educational-only "think-of-the-children" moral panic-mongers. The world is now a slightly duller place thanks to you! Mad
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:52 pm Reply with quote
There are so many places you can point fingers on this that it's fairly pointless. I feel grateful and fortunate that I got to grow up in the days of Fox Kids, One Saturday Morning, and Kids WB; three Saturday morning blocks that followed me for nearly my entire childhood. Not every show on the blocks were winners, but it's a little saddening that most kids now will not know the simple joy of waking up at 5 AM, waiting for the test pattern to go away and for the glorious electronic shower of ink and paint to wash over the living room while we cram as much sugary cereal into our stomachs while allowing our minds to be corrupted with the desires to buy Skip-Its, Barbies, and Hot Wheels.

Yes, you can say that the kids cable networks stand in the same position nowadays, but not entirely. What made it special was that you didn't need to have cable to enjoy it and most importantly, it was something you had to wait for, to anticipate, to savor. Yes, there might be an hour of cartoons or so on when you got home from school, but Saturday morning was 5-6 hours of straight cartoons, every week like clockwork. It was amazing, and now it may never be again.

R.I.P. Saturday morning cartoons. You may be gone, but you will not be forgotten.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:55 pm Reply with quote
Veniamin wrote:

Saturday Morning Cartoons didn't die by us, they died because their Licensors don't care. I might get shit for this because of memories, but I feel like kids could have enjoyed it more if companies weren't so afraid of the message.


SatAM didn't die by licenses - they died by original programming. Licenses ya can watch anywhere since it's already been produced; original programming ya have to get up for since that may be the only time ya can see it.

Also, kids nowadays do extracurricular stuff Sat mornings, so I guess that's better than sitting in front of the TV.
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Veniamin



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:01 pm Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Veniamin wrote:

Saturday Morning Cartoons didn't die by us, they died because their Licensors don't care. I might get shit for this because of memories, but I feel like kids could have enjoyed it more if companies weren't so afraid of the message.


SatAM didn't die by licenses - they died by original programming. Licenses ya can watch anywhere since it's already been produced; original programming ya have to get up for since that may be the only time ya can see it.

Also, kids nowadays do extracurricular stuff Sat mornings, so I guess that's better than sitting in front of the TV.


Right, but it's not bad to enjoy something you see on TV from time-to-time.

Watching Astro Boy, Cyborg 009, hell coming home to something fun after doing work is way of inspiring things and I barely watched TV. I was mostly listening to radio when I got up and left school.
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I think there's still Aruthur and Sponge Bob running on Sat mornings
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:09 pm Reply with quote
Veniamin wrote:
To be perfectly honest, it's Saban that heavily butchered most of THE products he bought over. Digimon's cast became insufferable, judgmental, and a made terrible puns along the way. especially Mimi, she went from a laidback, honest but unsure girl to a trashy airhead in the dub.

And this little trend kind of infected with 4kids doing the same with most of their shows. Sonic X's dub was heavily censored and unbearable but if you watched it originally, it's quite an inviting anime.

To REALLY bring back Saturday Morning cartoons is by asking for a partnership with Viz Media and others to make a proper channel which can be 2nd to Toonami. Funimation Channel for example.

This minimal effort in providing a show in it's honest form is still continuing even with Pokemon right now. the original cast of Pokemon were dropped for no reason and were replaced with barely "similar" voices. you also have stock music that replaces everything, including important parts in the anime in a poor effort to outsource their version. you might ask yourself "But how is music important in this factor"? Can you actually feel hyped up in a Pokemon battle that re-uses the same one-beat track with no full extent of their instruments? They care about money, yet they're doing it the wrong way? It makes no sense. That's why it's barely surviving on Cartoon Network and is even being overshadowed by Ben 10. Look how far behind they are in XY.



Saturday Morning Cartoons didn't die by us, they died because their Licensors don't care. I might get shit for this because of memories, but I feel like kids could have enjoyed it more if companies weren't so afraid of the message.


Yeah, but Ben 10 hasn't been on either CN OR Boomerang in months, and CN will burn off the next few episodes starting Monday. Don't forget that TPCI also freezes the "To Be Continued" screen (aka the final scene of an episode) by a few seconds, something that's never done in the original version of the Pokemon anime.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:11 pm Reply with quote
PBS has never had an exclusive animation block and cable stations don't count.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:15 pm Reply with quote
Kind of sad, I remember a lot of those Saturday morning blocks, and I remember finishing them off with a flip over to Sci-Fi at about 10 AM for some anime that I was probably too young to fully grasp – didn't help that Sci-Fi's eternally awful need to cram in commercials makes it seriously hard to focus attention on something for long when it's always being cut into.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:26 pm Reply with quote
Splitter wrote:
I feel grateful and fortunate that I got to grow up in the days of Fox Kids, One Saturday Morning, and Kids WB; three Saturday morning blocks that followed me for nearly my entire childhood.


Splitter, you make me feel old. That was the Saturday Morning TV that I watched with my kids. My Saturday Mornings were defined by Black & White transition to Color, CBS / NBC / ABC and shows like the Archies, Spiderman, and Bugs Bunny / Road Runner.

50 years means I started at the beginning and had a re-exposure when my Sons started watching.

It's sad to see Saturday Morning Cartoons go away, somehow I expect, at some point, in some form, it will be back.

Mark Gosdin
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ReNellGlover



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Technically, Nick still promotes their Saturday morning block, but with just Sanjay & Craig and Breadwinners.
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:35 pm Reply with quote
It is indeed sad news.

When I was a little kid, we couldn't wait for Saturday morning. We'd watch the cartoons, then go outside for chores, and after that come back inside to watch all the movies on the one UHF channel.

Yeah, you have Cartoon Network, and several other similar cable networks. But it is not the same.

I don't speak for everyone, but the kids and teenagers I know don't watch cartoons online.
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InuYashaCrusade



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Veniamin wrote:
Look how far behind they are in XY.

You may wanna do some simple research before lying, dude. We are only 8 episodes behind the Japanese airing of Pokemon XY right now. Proof: Serebii, go check it out.

How many other series can you say are that close to their Japanese airing? Besides Space Dandy, good luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:41 pm Reply with quote
VORTIA wrote:
Thanks, ham-fisted, educational-only "think-of-the-children" moral panic-mongers. The world is now a slightly duller place thanks to you! Mad


Calm down. Educational standards aren't actually what killed Saturday morning cartoons.

What killed Saturday mornings was a combination of rising costs and lowered ratings for broadcast television, and the rise of networks that market themselves as being entirely for kids. Kids don't associate broadcast networks with cartoons anymore, they associate Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and Disney Channel with them. There's a reason why all the most successful cartoons of the last decade or so have come from cable.

The reason Saturday morning blocks existed in the first place was because back in the old days, when TV only had three networks, Saturday mornings were the ONLY time you could see kids' programming. That hasn't been the case for a very long time. Combine that with the rise of Netflix and other streaming sites, and a cartoon block associated with a particular time frame seems pretty dated. Kids can now watch cartoons whenever they want.

But big companies love to blame government regulation for everything, so of course they're going to blame a law from the 1990's for the death of a block in 2014. It's easier than admitting that their business model is simply out of date.

(And anyway, cable networks have Saturday morning blocks every weekend. This news only applies to broadcast TV.)


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