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OH&S
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This is a terrible story. I hope the family gets the justice they deserve.
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acetatsujin
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Wow ... I ..... man ... that was a short life ... ah man ...
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Usagi-kun
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Not good. Nope. Not at all.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Very terrible way to pass away like this.
 Here's hoping his family will receive justice for this reckless shooting.
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Joe Carpenter
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I wonder if he actually attacked them with his sword if that's just the "cover story"?
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Spotlesseden
Posts: 3514 Location: earth |
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I don't know the law. I thought the police have the right to shot you if they told you to stop, you continue to run and they think are can endanger the public. Just stop running away from police people. Last edited by Spotlesseden on Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:50 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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shiranehito
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I don't know the law either, but 5 times in the back? Those are not warning shots, but it sounded more like they intended to kill him. |
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Ali07
 Posts: 3333 Location: Victoria, Australia |
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The two worrying things in this case are:
So, if what was said by the police is to be believed, all 3 shots that happened when he attacked...were from behind? You would think that, if he was attacking you with a sword, you'd be shooting the front of his body. If the original 3 shots were from in front, they all missed. Then, they shot him 3 times as he ran off, and someone else came along to shoot him 2 more times. Unless I'm missing something, and the police have said that the 3 shots initially fired all got the guy from behind? |
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mdo7
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Oh boy, I hope this doesn't turn into another Ferguson. Even if this area doesn't show racial tension like in Ferguson, but there's going to be a big media circus over this.
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configspace
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This is not natural law, so the law is always on the goverment's side. After all, who creates them?
 If I tell you stop running away, and you didn't do anything to me, do I have the right to shoot you if you don't?
One of the countless instances in which police (and other agencies) have been caught lying.
Police are terrible shots and I've also heard anecdotes confirming this. Mostly because they don't actually train. It's spray and pray. They have immunity due to the law (i.e. as long as the "perceive" a threat and follow procedures, it's all good). Putting aside the insanity of all the police shootings, you can easily see that in many recent cases: Video: 8 Cops Fire 45 Shots at 1 Mentally Ill Homeless Man They surround him in close range. Of those, only 14 land on a still target. Another similar incident, just prior, with mentally ill man, this time with 80 rounds. And anyone remember California's Dorner case? Cops shot up truck with two women with over 200 rounds and they still survived with some injuries and they plugged another guy's SUV full of holes and if I recall, he survived without injuries. Last edited by configspace on Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:36 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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shiranehito
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I think that sentence has something to tell us. You see, if the suspect was running and the police chased him and shot him from the back, is it possible that the bullet traveled upward? The bullet goes upward if: 1. The police who shot him was in ground and the suspect was standing in front of him with his back facing the shooter. 2. The suspect was on the ground, falling face first probably after running and abruptly stopped because of several shots. And in such position the police shot him from the back. In the case of the first possibility, maybe the suspect shoved the police until he fell to the ground and then started running. But this is the fatal shot we're talking about - so at the moment he first shot, the suspect would had already killed before he's able to run away. So that leaves to the second theory. |
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Kadmos1
 Posts: 13552 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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I agree with you on both. Jjust because it may look like a hate crime, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a hate crime. |
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shiranehito
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So, even if the suspect is not yet determined as a "threat" and proven guilty, "accidental" lethal shoot can be excused? |
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wohdin
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Sighhhh.
Can we all finally just admit that we live in a police state now? We can't fix the problem until we first at least acknowledge that there is a problem. |
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configspace
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The problem is, that's the way it is because who is the one who is determining the threat? By law, the police are given the legal powers to shoot if they perceive a threat. Even when it's completely false, there are no consequences. Look at all of the botched and wrong-house SWAT raids. No consequences other than "whoops, my bad" as long as they were just following procedures. The nature of the state is that its agents get to do things ordinary individuals aren't allowed to do. |
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