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Desa
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It's like every kid's wet fantasy having so many legendaries in one movie. Didn't see MewTwo anywhere though. Would've loved to see a MewTwo vs. Arceus psuedo-death-match. My money's on MewTwo btw.
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Adamanto
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At this point the English Pokemon dub feels like a pure experiment in how poorly and cheaply they can dub before people actually start complaining about how bad it is.
This is just plain embarrassing to listen to. Feels like the entire budget for the dub isn't even half of what the Japanese paid to get Kugimiya on board. |
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lazydude500
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I was under the impression that it's been this way since 2006 when the (great) original English cast was replaced. Kind of pathetic that almost 10 years later it's improved so little... Only good thing I can think of is once in a while a VA from Dallas or LA will guest star in the Pokemon dub (too bad it's never any people I care about). While I don't expect any drastic improvements for the dub anytime soon like Veronica Taylor returning to voice Ash or even something smaller and maybe more realistic like Stan Hart returning to voice Professor Oak, considering the allegations against Tom Wayland the ADR Director; if found guilty he might be fired (if he hasn't already if TPTB wanted to distant themselves from any negative PR which at the moment hasn't been widely reported yet) there's a chance a new ADR Director might actually make the Pokemon dub decent again in the near future. |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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It's been almost 10 years since they took away the one thing that people fondly remember 4kids for and I'm still bitter.
Granted, my 10 year old self was a million times more bitter but I don't think I'll ever completely get over it. I still remember the morning I woke up to that Mirage Pokémon special. Thankfully we never heard that Ash ever again but the DP Ash wasn't hugely better and they still recast literally every single role with hit and miss sound-alikes. As for the trailer... well, it sucks but I didn't expect much more. But I'm disappointed that even after all this time it hasn't improved much. |
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Adamanto
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I don't really watch dubs much, but I sat down and watched a TV airing of the English Shaymin movie dub because my college roommate at the time wanted to watch it. That would've been 5 years ago. That dub was perfectly fine. Not amazing, and not as good as the Japanese original, but definitely watchable. This Hoopa trailer, however, is just insulting to the people who worked on the actual movie. |
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GalicianNightmare
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I'm probably one of the most open minded people regarding dubs, but even I realize that dubs based on kid's franchises(when I mean "kids" I don't mean shonen like Gundam or FMA, but "kodomo" stuff) generally aren't good. Granted, it is a trailer, but even so, I can't help but think that PUSA don't give a crap. It's much better script wise than 4kids and the VAing isn't THAT much worse, but still, I'm going to have to watch more.
HOWEVER, shouldn't we be happy that this trailer exists 3 months before the JAPANESE premiere? It seems like a simuldub to me. All anime should aim to come out within 6 months or less of the Japanese airing. I hate how Aniplex isn't dubbing Unlimited Blade Works now, but is forcing us dub fans to wait until 2016, which by then, the hype would have faded. Nor are they doing a simuldub of Heaven's Feel. They've stepped up with SAO II, KLK(especially the OVA with a FOUR month gap) and Expelled from Paradise, but they still have ways to go. Bad dubs aside, we can rest knowing that we in the US are a mere cour behind Japan. |
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MetalHunter
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Ash should ask Hoopa if it's got a Ho-Oh in those rings.
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Tenbyakugon
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I really like that logo!
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gloverrandal
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Unfortunately these kinds of anime tend to get very poor treatment in America. Companies generally don't put much effort into kids shows here because they just want to use it to sell toys . I always do appreciate how much effort anime puts into even their kids shows from the animation, music, voice-acting, and writing to the high quality merchandise for collectors.
I would argue the old 4Kids dub was just as bad and suffered from the exact same problems, but I understand a lot of people probably have nostalgia for it. |
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GalicianNightmare
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@gloverrandal Actually, kodomo/Toei anime are arguably worse than the average American cartoon. Remember, Pokemon and other such anime are just as, if not more toyetic than American toons, bar Transformers. Also, the budget and effort put is non-existent. It takes month to create an episode of One Piece. It only has 3000 or so drawings. Contrast that with Spongebob which takes 9 months per 11 minutes and has about 40,000 drawings, more effort put into movements and more facial features. Although most anime in general are poorly animated and poor planned, kids anime is the worst of any form of animation bar none. Also, pretty much any non-otaku anime have pretty poor writing and cliches compared to otaku anime. Music wise, kids anime are stuck with cheap sounds and instruments and generally don't have Sawano, nor Kanno, nor Kawaii, nor Otani, nor Kajiura. If you like listening to mediocre music by Sunimoto from DB Kai or Tanaka's boring pieces from One Piece, go ahead, but don't tell me they're good. So we've already established how most of your points are factually wrong.
Voice acting? Well, a lot of kids anime can have good VAs too. Arguably kids anime has better VAs than otaku anime, but that's neither here nor there. It seems like people who are influenced by a certain someone seem to have the worst tastes in anime. Watch classic otaku anime like Big O and Escaflowne, please. |
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Stuart Smith
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Escaflowne is not an otaku anime actually. It aired on the same channel as Pokemon and almost the same timeslot. Only on Tuesdays instead of Thursdays. Praising Escaflowne is basically admitting children's anime can be good. Big O aired past midnight, but it was kind of a dud popularity wise. Also I feel the need to comment that XY has better animation and fight scenes than anything in Big O had. Watch last week's Satoshi VS Citron Gym Match if you feel inclined to check it out. Pokemon is a pretty solid show that I agree deserves a better treatment for it's English release -Stuart Smith |
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TheAnagelic1
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Never had a REAL problem with the TPCI Dub of the anime ever since the Mirage Special up to today. Remember reading the comments beforehand then actually seeing it and thinking it was no way near as bad as people were making it out to be. Really, it felt more refreshing after Advanced Generation when the Dub scripts were starting to get a bit too silly for my tastes and the background music, oh if you thought XY's music replacing was bad, during season 6-8 I thought it was the worst, being nearly all in-house music and the same movie 1-3 music again and again and again.
 I don't get why XY changes the music for the Dub, but DP proved they could not only use a lot of the Japanese music but even have episodes where they leave the music alone. (And to be fair, 4Kids did start recasting some characters like Joy, Jenny and quite importantly, the narrator during AG, so I honest don't think it would of have been long till they would have done it with other main characters as well if they had continued to dub the anime past season 8. Hell even Ash was starting to sound a bit off late Season 8...)
I know the TPCI Dub gets a lot of hate over the preferred nostalgic but edited 4Kids dub (Not hating on the 4Kids dub but after the first few seasons it was falling from grace IMO.), but again I look at that trailer and really hear nothing all that wrong with the Dub voices. Probably down to taste, but I think sometimes people take the dub way too seriously considering the target audience. And heck, you don't have to put up with it. That's what fansubs are for... |
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SquadmemberRitsu
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The Pokémon dub was made with children in mind. The show was very popular. When they took it away from 4kids, people got mad and the show's popularity did take a hit.
The One Piece dub was also made with children in mind. I was 10 or 11 at the time and I can say as a child who had previously eaten up Pokémon, DBZ and Yu-Gi-Oh that the dub sucks. When 4kids lost it and Funimation got the series, people jumped for joy. The popularity of the series in the west has only risen since then. To this day I still find the cheesiness of the Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh dubs to be very endearing but even back then the One Piece dub annoyed me far more than it entertained me. I know cynicism is hip, but have you guys ever stopped to think about why this is? |
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TsukasaElkKite
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Agreed. The fact that they replaced most of the music in Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction and are replacing more and more music in XY pisses me off to no end. It's like 4Kids all over again. |
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ARC-1300
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i hate to be that guy,but the original dub doesn't hold up either (pokemon) hell,id even say the anime in general doesn't hold up. its best for this show,to watch the original language, and some of the later seasons. |
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