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Oh first good news of the day! (Something to get me out of my GoT despair...)

Wonder if this'll resolve the conflict from Rebellion... or at least show us the world in the aftermath...

I'll be very angry and disappointed if they decide to continue the main story in any format that's not animated.

Sunny milk wrote:

I'll be very angry and disappointed if they decide to continue the main story in any format that's not animated.

I know right! That's what I was thinking!

Edit: Good news everyone! It's not! It's a Interquel.. Turns out they're using the unofficial translation not the official translation. See the word it uses is Maju... which is officially translated in the series as "Wraith" not "Demon" and due to what happens in the third movie it can throw people off...

I think it wouldn't be too bad seeing what happened in between the series and movie... IT would be interesting to see how that system works...

But yeah... there better be a true continuation in the future...

Yeah, we've known about this since issue 19 was released and the specifics were told to us in the preview for issue 20 (coming out tomorrow). It takes place in-between the TV series and Rebellion, within the world of Wraiths. I'm certainly curious how things will go down, since Hanokage's last two works are definitely the two best manga spin-offs/adaptions the series has seen. Especially considering Hanokage's first work, the adaption of the series, was pretty underwhelming. I have faith that this could be a well-written character drama leading us into Rebellion.

While I love Urobuchi's contributions to Madoka, I do feel like Hanokage is the only person who's done the series the most justice (personal view) with an original story. Even Hanokage's one-shot comedy chapters in the anthology manga were my favorites. I'd gladly let Hanokage write a sequel. Though I'd still wish Urobuchi was involved in some way.

Urobuchi seems pretty definitively done with Madoka, unless he gets some unexpected new idea (whenever anyone asks him about it he drops unsubtle hints that maybe other writers should work on the next installment). So I sort of doubt he's going to be involved. And Rebellion was philosophically interesting, but didn't really take the story anywhere new until the last minute, and then it just sorta ended... it doesn't seem like he has any ideas for a new conclusion.

I don't think I've seen anything Hanokage wrote themselves other than those goofy 4koma strips, but the "quartet" must have some faith in them if they're getting to do this wraith interquel that's been teased for like a year now. Maybe if this thing goes well, they can take a shot at writing a sequel.

Juno016 wrote:

It takes place in-between the TV series and Rebellion, within the world of Wraiths.

Small nitpick- it would be the first and second movies and Rebellion. Rebellion and the tv anime aren't part of the same universe, as per statements from the powers that be.

that's the first time I heard that, got any sources ?

maximilianjenus wrote:

that's the first time I heard that, got any sources ?

Director Ayuki Shinbo said it in the movie three brochure: http://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.html

You called the previous two movies “like a new loop or two of the original series”. With that in mind, how is this new movie positioned?

Shinbou: I think of the TV series as complete in and of itself, and that it doesn’t need a continuation. Beginnings and Eternal were necessary to Rebellion, and my personal interpretation is that Rebellion continues from these two movies rather than the TV series.

So Rebellion is the continuation of Beginnings and Eternal.

Shinbou: Yes, like that. For instance, in her magical girl form, Sayaka has no hairpin in the TV series, but she has one in the movies. And so, as a continuation of the previous two movies, Rebellion stars the Sayaka with the hairpin.

kotomikun wrote:

Urobuchi seems pretty definitively done with Madoka, unless he gets some unexpected new idea (whenever anyone asks him about it he drops unsubtle hints that maybe other writers should work on the next installment). So I sort of doubt he's going to be involved. And Rebellion was philosophically interesting, but didn't really take the story anywhere new until the last minute, and then it just sorta ended... it doesn't seem like he has any ideas for a new conclusion.

I don't think I've seen anything Hanokage wrote themselves other than those goofy 4koma strips, but the "quartet" must have some faith in them if they're getting to do this wraith interquel that's been teased for like a year now. Maybe if this thing goes well, they can take a shot at writing a sequel.

Yes, he said he wouldn't write another sequel, but he'll almost undoubtedly be interested in sticking with the crew as a team member and maybe influencing the team, like he did with a few points in Fate/Zero and Gargantia.
As for Hanokage, the adaption of the series was pretty iffy because it wasn't really planned ahead that far and the interpretation of events was awkward for the manga when the anime was just that well-presented. However, Hanokage then made an original story spin-off based loosely off the [as far as everyone knows, canon] Farewell Story drama CD, which depicts Mami and Kyouko's past relationship. The story then diverges into its own timeline (one that's at least plausible as a canon past timeline Homura traveled through). But the characterization, art, and writing (mostly pacing and planning) was GREATLY improved from Hanokage's previous work, and it showed. Some people cried while reading it, and after reading it myself, I'm not surprised. It tugs on heart strings and gives us a really nice exploration of Mami and Kyouko, who needed more of it during the anime. And finally, we got Hanokage's Rebellion adaption, which has Hanokage's BEST artwork by far and adapts the film really closely without sacrificing storytelling, pacing, or even visual splendor, having used its own original visual symbolism to create the same sensation as the film. After the last two works, especially with the original story being so good, I'm hoping for more of the same here.

(I would not otherwise double-post, but it's giving me a "captcha" and saying "no post specified" or something when I try to combine the two quotes in the same post, so I only had success when posting them separately)

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Small nitpick- it would be the first and second movies and Rebellion. Rebellion and the tv anime aren't part of the same universe, as per statements from the powers that be.

I almost said that, but then I had to remind myself that Shinbo didn't say that's how it actually was. He just said that it's how he treats it in his own mind, since he also feels the TV show was pretty complete by itself, too. He's careful not to impose it as a rule. In reality, the two are pretty much the same. Anything missing from the first two films is just assumed to happen off-screen and anything changed in the films is purely aesthetic and doesn't really affect the story in any way. Neither rejects the possibility of Rebellion as their future, and if you don't like the idea of what Rebellion did to the story, Shinbo presented a fine way to help you get past the sequel film without letting it ruin the integrity of the TV show (if you so believe it did). So really, we shouldn't treat it as a rule, but as a suggestion.
But, you know... just a small nitpick of mine. =P

So far it looks like the closest thing we'll ever get to a sequel is the spinoff manga where Mami is 31 and has devolved into a typical lazy adult.

Juno016 wrote:

kotomikun wrote:

Urobuchi seems pretty definitively done with Madoka, unless he gets some unexpected new idea (whenever anyone asks him about it he drops unsubtle hints that maybe other writers should work on the next installment). So I sort of doubt he's going to be involved. And Rebellion was philosophically interesting, but didn't really take the story anywhere new until the last minute, and then it just sorta ended... it doesn't seem like he has any ideas for a new conclusion.

I don't think I've seen anything Hanokage wrote themselves other than those goofy 4koma strips, but the "quartet" must have some faith in them if they're getting to do this wraith interquel that's been teased for like a year now. Maybe if this thing goes well, they can take a shot at writing a sequel.

Yes, he said he wouldn't write another sequel, but he'll almost undoubtedly be interested in sticking with the crew as a team member and maybe influencing the team, like he did with a few points in Fate/Zero and Gargantia.
As for Hanokage, the adaption of the series was pretty iffy because it wasn't really planned ahead that far and the interpretation of events was awkward for the manga when the anime was just that well-presented. However, Hanokage then made an original story spin-off based loosely off the [as far as everyone knows, canon] Farewell Story drama CD, which depicts Mami and Kyouko's past relationship. The story then diverges into its own timeline (one that's at least plausible as a canon past timeline Homura traveled through). But the characterization, art, and writing (mostly pacing and planning) was GREATLY improved from Hanokage's previous work, and it showed. Some people cried while reading it, and after reading it myself, I'm not surprised. It tugs on heart strings and gives us a really nice exploration of Mami and Kyouko, who needed more of it during the anime. And finally, we got Hanokage's Rebellion adaption, which has Hanokage's BEST artwork by far and adapts the film really closely without sacrificing storytelling, pacing, or even visual splendor, having used its own original visual symbolism to create the same sensation as the film. After the last two works, especially with the original story being so good, I'm hoping for more of the same here.

Interesting. I've only ever seen the show and Rebellion myself... but it sounds like the manga might be worth a read, too. Thanks for the brief (sort of) review. And if we can treat TV and movies as separate timelines (interesting implications for Madoka's status as a sort-of singularity) could we then say the manga is it's own timeline as well?

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kazenoyume wrote:

Juno016 wrote:

It takes place in-between the TV series and Rebellion, within the world of Wraiths.

Small nitpick- it would be the first and second movies and Rebellion. Rebellion and the tv anime aren't part of the same universe, as per statements from the powers that be.

In his next interview from bluray bucklet shinbou already forgot about it and said that Rebellion is direct sequel of TV series.

So it doesn't mean anything, also it's really stupid. Movies are just a recaps.

This manga is a prequel to Rebellion, sequel will probably never happen.

Meh, let the TV series be already! I read the A Different Story Manga, it was OK but lacked the sublimity of the original. Overall I am finding all this to be kinda of milking up the franchise's profitability/popularity and not something of interesting artistic content. The feeling of greatness that I experienced watching the TV will not be reproduced by additional content of the same franchise but by other, different, franchises instead. Confused