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Kadmos1
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In terms of his manga/anime contributions, I think this talented man is one of the few that could be considered a modern day Tezuka.
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WashuTakahashi
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The death of hand drawn animation is a sad but inevitable thing. At least we'll still get to see a few more Hayao Miyazaki shorts
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GATSU
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Miyazaki's a notorious Luddite when it comes to modern technology. So I'm curious if he'll be able to pull this off.
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0nsen
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It will probably be impossible for CG to replace hand-drawn animation, simply because CG ages poorly. Within a couple of years everything made from CG will look horrible. And it will only get worse with the years.
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MarshalBanana
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I know you haven't worked in the industry since the 70s, instead working in the time capsule that is Ghibli, making whatever you what with as much time and money as you, so you've probably forgotten how the industry works. But these animators working on TV shows don't have the luxury of spending how ever long they like making sure their drawings are all perfect. How would you cope if you were dragged down for your ivory tower and had to go back to working under time constraints. Would your work look half as good as the works that Bones for example put out. |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Sadly, Mr. Miyazaki-sensei is already correct when comes to 2D animation here in the U.S.- it's already met its death in the movie industry.
While it's true that 3D computer graphic imagery isn't entirely a bad thing, I don't see how it can ever replace 2D animation. There are some instances from 2D that just won't display as well in 3D CGI. |
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Kikaioh
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Actually, to my knowledge Miyazaki has been using CG graphics as early as Princess Mononoke back in 1997 (IIRC the scene at the beginning with the Boar God used CG for the tentacles). |
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manapear
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I love Miyazaki, and Ghibli as a whole, but Miyazaki just always has such knowledge and wisdom.
Good comments here too~. Very relevant points, Onsen and Mr. Oshawott. I don't know if one of those comments is trolling/baiting or not though, since it seems to assume a lot. (One must assume Miyazaki knows literally nothing about the industry in his own country to make such a comment.) |
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GalicianNightmare
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People need to stop pandering to nostalgia. It's not like CG animation is new. Hell, it's not even new to Japan. The first FULL animation to use CG was the Golgo 13 movie. 2D animation is there, but don't say it's better than CG. Anything 2D can do, CG and 3D can do and do better. Mech designs in 2D? A nightmare, hence why only Bones and Sunrise do it. CG allows for fluid movements and a wide range of motion. It's not about the type of animation/technology. It's about the talent. Yes, Japanese CG animation is bad compared to American CG animation. It's a well known fact, but it's not because of country, it's because of talent. Besides, Japanese CG animation is rapidly improving, so it could be great one day. Also, 2D animation is outdated, too. Look at Gundam Wing. Horrible back in 1995, but today, it is one of the worst looking anime ever. Horrible animation, horrible, inconsistent design.
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MarshalBanana
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@manapear
Since that was basically replying to me, I will try and explain. In the 70s he fell out with how the industry was changing, so he and fellow animators founded Ghibli. It wasn't long before Ghibli got to a point where everything they produce made them a lot of money. So while Miyazaki was still technically part of the Anime industry, through hard work and a lot of luck, he had pretty much separated himself it, and spent the rest of career making his Disney inspired films about his 2 favourite topics, environmentalism and anti war, with the occasionally change of direction, like Porco Rosso. So you see he hasn't worked in the industry as we know it since he made Sherlock Hound. So we you can understand why people get annoyed with him, he's had the privilege of making whatever he wants with however much money he wants. yet he mocks other animators who don't have the luxury to spend forever making animation of his quality, it is both ignorant and rude. |
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Lemonchest
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Let Goro go! All he wanted to do was design gardens.
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Swissman
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He has been involved in tv productions until the early to mid-eighties (Meitantei Holmes being his last tv production) and he was the executive producer of Takahata's Only Yesterday, struggling with schedule and finances because Takahata is really slow (meaning a perfectionist).
Miyazaki always had to work under time constraints at Ghibli as well. Just watch the making ofs. He usually had to finish a movie for mid-summer of next year. The reason he doesn't appreciate today's TV animation is precisely because he always felt constrained the limited animation norm set by Tezuka in the mid sixties. He and Takahata have been inspired by japanese and foreign (french, russian) theatrical animation and they always tried to follow this route of high quality animation. |
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MarshalBanana
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That wasn't really my point though, it was the unwarranted bashing of other animators. |
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Swissman
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^
I know what your point was. I just tried to convey my disagreement about your opinion on him being on a high horse as nicely as possible ;) |
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Xristophoros
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"There's nothing inherently wrong or right about a method, whether it be pencil drawings or 3-D CG."
i never expected a traditionalist like miyazaki to say something along these lines. perhaps he is being careful not to insult his friends over at pixar, or more specifically, john lasseter. in either case, i wholeheartedly disagree with his stance. there is something superficial about animation that is entirely produced on a computer. i understand how much skill and craftsmanship is required and respect the 3d artists greatly, but as a form of animation, it lacks that tangible sense of artistry seen in classic disney and ghibli animations produced traditionally. not to mention, traditional animation can be much more expressive then 3d cg in just about every way you can imagine. the flow and elegance cannot be replicated in 3d cg. Last edited by Xristophoros on Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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