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trilaan
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:31 am
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....well I'm sold on Benjamin Franklin as a teenage girl(with glasses, natch) who shoots lightning.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:33 am
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Quote: | (He's ignoring that Sola-Ui is immune to its effects as a born magus, which means that she's just dissatisfied with her engagement.) |
It's a combination of the two, really. While she had the capability to resist it, the compulsion from the love spot was the first genuine emotional impulse that she'd ever felt (turns out being raised as a disposable tool for political marriage is actually a really terrible life), so she wholeheartedly embraced it and let herself fall under its effects. Basically, it was her decision to be affected, but she still was affected.
That said, interesting article! The jokes keep things funny. Again, any plans to cover Servants from other Fate/ franchises?
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Sahmbahdeh
Joined: 05 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:53 am
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A great article, yet again! Very informative, and the humor kept things light. One thing about Gilles de Rais, though: there is (well-founded) speculation that he actually didn't do any of the awful things he's attributed to have done, and that it was all a ruse. Regardless, as with Alexander, I really don't think it matters. One thing about the Fate franchise that's always been the case is the blending of history, myth and original invention for the purposes of the story, and this is one of the things I love about it.
As for new servants, Teddy Roosevelt would be a good Rider for the Great American Holy Grail War, and King Solomon as Caster would be cool in general.
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:56 am
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Interesting to read that about Alexander, from all the pop culture thrown at me the impressions I got were that he was a really understanding kind of guy, who respected other countries' cultures and religions in order not to have conflict with the places he conquered. There was that famous final moment of dickness of going through the desert and having almost his entire army die on him out of spitefulness because they wanted to go back home (or something like that), but that's it.
I'd disagree on the Hassan assessment that on F/SN he's even more of a plot device than in F/Z. I thought his motivation and involvement in the plot was done much better than in F/Z, where they just kind of fulfill a spy role and screw up whenever they're not doing that.
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SilverTalon01
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:10 pm
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Quote: | In F/Z, it's further implied that Lancelot was actually in love with the female Arturia. Since Arturia had no concept of her own femininity, he tried to get close to the king through her wife, who was just part of the effort to maintain the façade that Arturia was a man. |
Huh, I guess I need to read the novel version.
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AgentSleek
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:18 pm
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Great series of articles. For me, the historical/mythological aspects of the Fate franchise have been one of its biggest draws. As a Christian, one servant possibility that's always intrigued me is if a Christian Master (perhaps inadvertently) summoned Jesus as a Caster, and then is put in the uncomfortable position of having to tell their own God what to do, as well as having Him fight in a brutal war.
As far as an American Holy Grail War goes, there's all kinds of possibilities. Crazy Horse as a Rider or Archer would be great. Thomas Edison as a Caster maybe. Annie Oakley or Calamity Jane as Archers (with guns, or course). The famous boxer Jack Johnson as a Berserker. I can't really think of any Sabers of Lancers off the top of my head though.
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:24 pm
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AgentSleek wrote: | summoned Jesus as a Caster |
In the extended works there's actually a 'Saver' class.
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Cam0
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:33 pm
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A great article again. It didn't touch on Lancer's spears though. What is their origin?
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:07 pm
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i think the benjamin franklin thing has alred been done in fgo, except that it's tesla.
Quote: | 's interesting that there are far more master/servant parallels in Fate/Zero, and I attribute this to F/Z's status as a tragedy. |
I atribute this to gen being a better writer than nasu.
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Saffire
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:33 pm
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Cam0 wrote: | A great article again. It didn't touch on Lancer's spears though. What is their origin? |
They were given to him by his foster father, the god Aengus, which he had received from another god who had piles of the stuff. No particular reason for doing so, as far as I can tell. Not much of an origin story, right? :p
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Izanagi009
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:16 pm
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Love the articles, if possible, would love one on Fate/Apocrypha
Especally since it has two characters I like:
Saber of Black
who is Siegfried from the Nibelungenlied
And Lancer of Read
who is Karna from the Mahabharata
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Cam0
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:27 pm
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Saffire wrote: | They were given to him by his foster father, the god Aengus, which he had received from another god who had piles of the stuff. No particular reason for doing so, as far as I can tell. Not much of an origin story, right? :p |
Well that's kind of lame. Considering those spears have unique abilities and that they are, well, Lancer's noble phantasms, I assumed they'd have some kind of story behind them. Now the image I have is just some old dude going through piles of weapons and randomly grabbing two and tossing em' over.
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ferrumorum
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:36 pm
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Solid article. Managed to be both entertaining and informative.
The thing about Gil in F/GO is wrong though. There's only one type of Gil (unlike Arturia who has 3 versions)
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AksaraKishou
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:41 pm
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Quote: | 's interesting that there are far more master/servant parallels in Fate/Zero, and I attribute this to F/Z's status as a tragedy. |
[spoiler]I atribute this to gen being a better writer than nasu.[/quote]
Taking into account that a lot of things (a LOT) being nasu's ideas(not talking about the verse.. but the characters, etc), i would say that it's because of a colab between the two.
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Videogamep
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:44 pm
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maximilianjenus wrote: |
Quote: | 's interesting that there are far more master/servant parallels in Fate/Zero, and I attribute this to F/Z's status as a tragedy. |
I atribute this to gen being a better writer than nasu. |
I think it's more that they had different goals. FSN is pretty clearly Shirou's story since he's the POV character and the only one who remains the main focus through all three routes, while Zero is just as clearly an ensemble cast, which means that developing secondary characters is a higher priority.
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