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Cyclone1993
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:13 am
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Ahh Tsukimonogatari. It came out on my birthday and I was really excited for it. But then it turned out to be one of the weaker arcs. However it's not, in my opinion, because of Araragi who is probably one of my most liked make characters because we get to go so far into his head, but because this arc doesn't really go anywhere. It's almost all set up for events that will happen later in the series.
Of course it was really late when I watched it and it does deserve a second watch so my opinion of it might be higher on a rewatch.
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killjoy_the
Joined: 30 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:18 am
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While I do agree Tsuki is somewhat of a step back from Second Season, I really don't find it that weak (just SS that great). Granted, I'm one of the people who don't get grossed out at the incest jokes/fanservice, and Araragi is one of my favorite characters in the series too. The final confrontation was really great for me, for the reasons Nick stated. Ougi's plan and Gaen's "counter" plan felt particularly clever, and so did Tadatsuru, which makes me want to get more of him, specially with the 3 other exorcists back in their college days. Maybe Nisio could start writing that instead of continuing Monogatari after he said he was gonna end it.
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DontmesswithKarma
Joined: 07 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:06 am
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To be really honest even though Araragi is an extreme pervert and sometimes too righteous. I really really like him as a protagonist. But that's just my opinion. Yeah it was one of the worse arcs, i still really really really enjoyed it. 8 days to Owari!!
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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:10 am
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Tsukimonogatari is easily the least good Monogatari arc I have watched. I think the first episode is largely useless because we already knew that Koyomi can be a real creep.
And while the scenario Tsukimonogatari sets up is intriguing, I agree with Nick that Koyomi seems to have outlived it usefulness. I was actually convinced that Tsukimonogatari and the third season of Monogatari was going to be centered around Meme Oshino and his university classmates.
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navycherub
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:10 am
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I agree with the review. I'm really glad this wasn't released in a normal TV season of the show, because in the end it just feels like a thin bridge, a small promise that the narrative has larger plans to deal with Araragi's character flaws and arc eventually. However, Hanamonogatari basically already did this by showing us a more mature, older Araragi, so even that doesn't seem particularly necessary.
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Stiles
Joined: 21 Oct 2014
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:54 pm
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Eh, don't find myself agreeing with the review. I still love Araragi as a character and am quite glad to see him driving the story again after how completely boring Hanamonogatari turned out to be.
I would rate the aforementioned Hana and Otorimonogatari lower than Tsuki without question. Koimonogatari makes watching Otori worthwhile, so it's not completely terrible, just annoying to have to sit through.
Kanbaru is a fairly boring character on her own and she doesn't seem to be a key player going forward, so watching her hang around and play basketball with a one-off character is not what I would call a stellar Monogatari story arc.
Nadeko is an unmitigated brat who was barely within the bounds of redemption, so having her tie up the story in order to elevate Hitagi and Kaiki felt kinda cheap.
In contrast, we get the protag back and get what looks to be a lot of subtle foreshadowing which I greatly appreciate having over dull and/or bratty characters stalling the narrative.
Monogatari is better with Araragi, not without. Tsuki is putting the story on track for the end now that we're done having 'fun' with side characters that are past their own expiration date.
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Alabaster Spectrum
Joined: 02 Sep 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:23 pm
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A poor review for a Monogatari thing? Pinch me what is going on? I always thought this was the franchise that could do absolutely no wrong for just about anybody.
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DontmesswithKarma
Joined: 07 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:44 pm
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Alabaster Spectrum wrote: | A poor review for a Monogatari thing? Pinch me what is going on? I always thought this was the franchise that could do absolutely no wrong for just about anybody. |
Nah it does have a few downs. Really comes down to taste. Do you like a certain character or do you hate it, are you getting sick of Shaft's aesthetic, etc
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CrownKlown
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:52 pm
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I like Araragi's character and find most of the criticisms a joke. I never see characters like Kuroko or Kuoko get criticized for doing the kind of stuff he does and worse.
Also given who the writer of the show is, you know Araragi is set up as a troll on purpose anyway.
Context. This is not some character out of a classic literature novel who happens to be a pervert, this is guy in a dark satirical comedy who happens to be a pervert, you cannot judge the character in the same way in both settings.
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Sahmbahdeh
Joined: 05 May 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:14 pm
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Whenever I see people talk about Tsukimonogatari, and then compare it to Hanamonogatari, I feel like I watched very different shows. I personally found Hanamonogatari potentially the weakest arc in the entire franchise, and Tsuki one of the best. Seeing Araragi deal with the serious consequences for his actions and face a real moral dilemma was immensely gratifying and engrossing. Yotsugi is also a very entertaining character, and I enjoyed seeing the two play off each other. Hana, on the other hand, was dreadfully dull, as I didn't care one iota about the conflict.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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Suncraft
Joined: 19 Oct 2013
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:13 am
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Wasn't the strongest arc, but not so bad that I'd agree with this review. Disagreeing with this review seems pretty straightforward for long time consumers of anime. Araragi is definitely a driving force and we could never be without him for long.
Though, looking for flaws is always fun when SHAFT covers their bases with style instead of movement.
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RoverTX
Joined: 17 Dec 2008
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:55 am
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Just got this in the mail so haven't had time to watch this yet, but on Araragi through the whole series, to me he is just a plot device. A convenient way to connect all the stories in Monogatari together, and an exaggerated over the top way to represent the male libido, his vampire half plays into this, on the verge of adulthood.
He even plays the role sometimes of the most trite plot device, a deus ex machina. "Oh you say shit has hit the preverbal fan? Thats ok just let Araragi get the crap beat out of him, and a few limbs torn off, and by next episode everything will be fine."
So while normally I really dislike characters like his, perverts beyond the pale, in this case thought it is hard to get angry or disgusted at a plot device. At least in the first two seasons it also seemed to me that he was always being acted upon, instead of acting on his own world. Which just reinforced my view of Araragi as less of a character and more of a plot device.
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HaruhiToy
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:48 pm
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The stream on Crunchyroll combines four episodes into one 90+ minute stream which is a bit taxing to watch. Particularly at points it seems to get fairly repetitive.
In spite of the shortcomings you have to watch it if you are a fan of the Monogatari series.
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