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REVIEW: Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation GN 1


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maximilianjenus



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:28 am Reply with quote
try reading the manga slower and looking at the pictures more, because it indeed is fast, because, while rushed, it does not really skip important things, but some of those are mostly shown rather than talked about, unlike the novel.

the most important thing this skips are how magic works, which is pretty mucha god thing because those are usually the worse part of this type of histories and rudy reading history books, which might be really boring in manga form.

and the reason I said reading slower was because:
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Nothing overtly sexual actually happens beyond the usual walking in on someone in the bath or stealing underwear (although Rudy does hear his parents having sex every night)


if you analized the pictures, roxy was masturbating there.

(also, when rudy gets kicked out of the house , he was also masturbating, but they might have made only implied in the manga, so it does not look like that).


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Zenith's reaction to this would make more sense if this was a world in which plural marriages are accepted; as it stands, it simply reads as difficult to believe.


what makes you think otherwise ? this is a world in which polygamy is widely accepted, depending on religion, of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:05 pm Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:

if you analized the pictures, roxy was masturbating there.


I did notice, but since it wasn't pertaining to Rudy, I didn't think it was relevant to the statement. Plus I have to leave something for readers to discover.

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what makes you think otherwise ? this is a world in which polygamy is widely accepted, depending on religion, of course.


It isn't clear that polygamy is accepted when this first comes up.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:35 pm Reply with quote
I wrote a review on my blog for the first 2 volumes combined. It could simply be an author-insert, but I was really impressed with how the author integrated "the old guy's" traumas into Rudy's character. How he was afraid of invisible boundaries because he thought that crossing them might wake him up from this "dream life" and back to "reality." How he ended up using his past experience being bullied as a crutch and failed to identify that his relationship with Sylphy was unproductive.

It does seem like the story kind of tangles itself up between some genuinely interesting ideas and "more fanservice!!!" I do know it gets better in that respect later, so I look forward to finding out what happens next.
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maximilianjenus



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:18 pm Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:

It isn't clear that polygamy is accepted when this first comes up.


thank, my original question was, tho, what made you think it was not, since zeniths reacton seems to contradict something that is not here ?

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yoru review is good, the manga is indeed, huried compared to the novel, btu this is a rare case of good hurried, a lotfothe stuff that gets skipped is either fluff or just boring; you can tell the mangaka actually did read the novel because things that matter later (like roxy's masturbaton scene) are kept, the mangaka even manages to add extra clues to misteries present in the work , which is pretty cool.

still this manga has the typical problem on webnovel to manga adaptations that the pictures-dialog-flow of panels feels like a summary, but I think it worth mentioning that it is very diminished compared to toehr mangas of the genre (like, shudder, shield hero).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:01 pm Reply with quote
Oh, I see what you're asking! I think that because I didn't yet know that polygamy was accepted in the story's world I read something different into her reaction. spoiler[She's so almost non-reactive, seeming surprised and a little hurt but not pitching the fit I would have expected] that I was thrown. In fact, I'm not sure I knew that plural marriages are accepted until I did some reading ahead to decide if I wanted to read further; at this moment I can't remember that it was mentioned in this volume.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:38 pm Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:
I did some reading ahead to decide if I wanted to read further

Will we be seeing a review for volume 2? While I'm not that big on fan service in manga, the story of this series does interest me. But, I'm still undecided on whether I will check this series out for myself.

I also, almost always, have the nagging feeling that the manga adaption of a novel (be it web or not) won't cover the story through to the end. It's why I only ended up getting the Sacred Blacksmith manga adaption after it's 9th volume was released, because that's when I found out that the manga would be adapting the end of that novel series.

Though, I do wonder if the Mushoku Tensei novels are finished or not...

maximilianjenus wrote:
still this manga has the typical problem on webnovel to manga adaptations that the pictures-dialog-flow of panels feels like a summary, but I think it worth mentioning that it is very diminished compared to toehr mangas of the genre (like, shudder, shield hero).

I take it that the Shield Hero manga isn't very good? I've enjoyed the first 3 novels, but haven't gotten the manga yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:48 pm Reply with quote
I would call Shield Hero better than Mushoku Tensei, if for no other reason than Naofumi doesn't try to Genji it up with little girls.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:14 pm Reply with quote
Shield Hero and Mushoku Tensei are completely different stories, so it really depends on what you prefer to read.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:33 pm Reply with quote
I love these types of stories, though I would enjoy it more if the main character ended up as A, the opposite sex from their original, B, a fantasy creature, or C(double bonus points for this), both.
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Hoo boy. This story.

The webnovel is the single most popular story on the site, out of hundreds of thousands. Having started in November 2012 and completed in April 2015, it seems to have been the launchpad for the "reincarnation fantasy" genre -- Re:Monster is the only older title I've found. (The original webnovel version of Konosuba started about a month after Mushoku Tensei.) Said genre damn near took over the site, as a search for 転生 (tensei) on this page will reveal. (異世界, isekai, is also quite popular. Barely anything seems to be actually set in Japan in the webnovel world.) It's still popular there, too -- Kumo desu ga, nani ka?, where the heroine reincarnates as a giant spider, started May 25, 2015 and is the most popular story of the past year.

Mushoku Tensei goes to some... interesting? places later on. Including...

Well, you know what Matt Stone and Trey Parker say about how beats in your story should be connected by "therefore" and "but", never "and then"? An early volume in this series has the single biggest "and then" I have ever seen in any work of fiction. It's Raymond Chandler's man-with-a-gun taken to an absurd extreme. It provides the basis for the next several volumes' plot, and it follows from what came before in no way whatsoever. I have never seen a more bizarre plotting choice, nor a more naked admission of the author having no idea what to do with the pieces already on the table.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:16 pm Reply with quote
shay guy: care to put what you mean in spoilers ? unless of course there is a mreo proper topic to talk about this; I really lvoed the (theorized) mechanics on the "alt world" in this series.

Ali07 wrote:

Though, I do wonder if the Mushoku Tensei novels are finished or not...

maximilianjenus wrote:
still this manga has the typical problem on webnovel to manga adaptations that the pictures-dialog-flow of panels feels like a summary, but I think it worth mentioning that it is very diminished compared to toehr mangas of the genre (like, shudder, shield hero).

I take it that the Shield Hero manga isn't very good? I've enjoyed the first 3 novels, but haven't gotten the manga yet.


the mushoku tensei webnovel is over, the light novels are on the worse arcs and at one third of the history, probably.

the shield hero manga starts as a good adaptation, then it messes up both by rushing really badly through events and doing it's own/lame thing. even teh art becomes pretty amateur-ish, which is also a common problem of webnovel adaptations to manga.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:47 am Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
the shield hero manga starts as a good adaptation, then it messes up both by rushing really badly through events and doing it's own/lame thing. even teh art becomes pretty amateur-ish, which is also a common problem of webnovel adaptations to manga.

Thanks for the heads up on that. I've been thinking about getting into the manga adaption, but if the art gets worse as things go along (along with the rushing), then I will steer clear.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:24 pm Reply with quote
I'll admit I was only skimming it but I thought it was pretty hokey in places like when the no-social-skills otaku uses ostentatious schmaltz to immediately solve the problems of the actual adults re: the pregnant maid issue.
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maximilianjenus



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:43 pm Reply with quote
it's a combination of being mentally 40, (even if you have no social skills, being 40 year old gives you a lot of advantage against people who are in their eaely 20s) but haivng the body of a 6 year old. the shock of having tat weird kid suddenly taking somethign seriosuly and more importantly, telling them about the consequences of their actions (because people in their 20s are still not good at that) is what gave him all the leverage.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:18 am Reply with quote
maximilianjenus wrote:
shay guy: care to put what you mean in spoilers ?


If you're at all unsure what I was talking about, you're overthinking it.

spoiler[I meant the teleportation incident, or whatever name the author eventually settled on.

For those not in the know, this is how the second light novel ends: "SUDDENLY, every building in the whole region vanished and everybody in it was randomly scattered across the world for reasons I won't even begin to explain until several volumes from now."]


I stopped reading the fan translations somewhere in volume 9. Just not worth it. The translation was horrid (or maybe the original writing was that bad), I don't actually like Rudeus, and even by LN standards, the way it treats its female characters gives me the creeps for reasons I have trouble articulating (which is why I'm not a critic).
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