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whiskeyii
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Interesting. Personally, I don't feel that acknowledging that your favorite media (books, TV, anime, whatever) has flaws means that you *have* to stop liking it. There's plenty of stuff where I can say "Yup, X is totally bonkers, poorly written, etc." and still enjoy it. For me, if you stop liking something because of something someone else said, I tend to take it as a sign that that particular criticism was always there for you, it just took someone else to bring it to the forefront.
EDIT: I do think the friend was inconsiderate in how they critiqued it though. I've got a friend who loves Teen Titans Go! unabashedly, and I really, really don't like it at all. But when she asks about it, I tell her that it's just not for me. There's no need for me to trample all over my friend's enthusiasm like X-ko did. |
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kiminobokuwa
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No matter what no one can make me dislike anime for any reason. Sure, some animes have their flaws, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. It does hurt when people nitpick it or when someone falls out of love with anime but people (especially otakus) shouldn't let that one person discourage them. There are still millions of people out there who enjoy it and I am one of those pwople that enjoys it very much!!
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Sakura-Alchemist
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The comment calling the op of dandevi the most chuunibyou thing ever made it hard to watch the op anymore. Everytime I got to the part in capes and what not instead of getting excited all I could think was chuunibyou but I still enjoyed the series. But I think if a close friend said my favorite thing was the worst it would make me sad. It's differnt when it's a close friend than a complete stranger. If my friend liked a thing and I didn't I would make sure to say something like 'we have differnt life experiences so even if it doesn't hit me as strongly as you doesn't make it bad.'
The artist's friend reminds me of a girl I know irl and I learned to just not take her opinions so seriously. She has an elitist attitude so you can just say yeah yeah what ever you say. |
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Shenl742
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This feels like a really shallow and immature look at criticism. I'm almost surprised that the girl's friend isn't drawn like a scarecrow.
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lavmintrose
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If the work's flaws are the reason she doesn't like it anymore, she needs to be comfortable with that and not mourn it.
If the fear that her friend thinks she's stupid (or something) for liking the work regardless of its flaws is the reason she feels like she can't like it anymore - which is what it sounds like - that's a different issue. In that case, she needs to trust her own tastes and be able to put into words what she likes about it and why those flaws don't ruin it for her (or why she doesn't see those things as flaws). Also, the translation doesn't seem clear - was it a remake of an anime, or a sequel/side story to the anime that got made into the movie? That does make a difference, and either way, the flaws with the movie don't have much to do with the work as a whole... Edit: the above post, 100%. Last edited by lavmintrose on Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Lostlorn Forest
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Reasons why I try to avoid anime fandoms as much as possible. There's an unwritten abstract hierarchy of "good" and "bad" anime when at the end of the day, it depends on the person. Once or twice I've had an experience soured or enjoyment hindered because of aforementioned whiners.
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wastrel
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Yep. This is why I try to avoid reviews, read fewer and fewer comment sections (like this one), and only dip enough into "fandom" to keep up with what new shows are being released each season.
I want to like things. So many people seem to watch anime only to "deconstruct" it, rip it apart, and crap all over it. It's probably why I watch anime in the first place and stay the hell away from people. |
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Sitensis
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Agreed. And I don't honestly get what's so big of a deal here... None of my friends enjoy the exact same animes as I do, and I rarely enjoy thier recommendations... That's pretty normal I think? If it really matters, you can just point out what you liked about the movie and try to explain why you think it's a good movie to your friend. The MC of the manga seems to be overly sensitive. |
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mgosdin
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If you truly enjoy something you won't be hurt by minor complaints.
Having a good friend do the criticizing isn't minor however. Being a good enough friend, and mature enough to recognize the situation, will usually mute any criticism. As noted earlier, just say, "It isnt' for me." Mark Gosdin |
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Kikaioh
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I agree. She's blaming people who dislike the things she enjoys for ruining her own enjoyment, which isn't a realistic or fair point of view. Not everyone is going to share a positive view on the things you like, and they're wholly entitled to have negative views and express them. "Criticism gives birth to nothing" is a way to excuse herself from taking ownership of her opinions and feelings on things. It's immature. |
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DontmesswithKarma
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one of the main reasons I don't read comments to anything anymore. my 2 favourite anime last year were to others.... quote "absolute ***s**t" because it was "rushed" and was not smart enough to meet their standards. rather than being like the person in the mange here, my dangerously over passionate personality took over and left me raging for days. now I just can't look at comments to anything anymore. the last time this criticism got me pissed off was with Rewrite. People bashing Tensho and 8-Bit because they are 'horrible creators'. there horrible because they rush adaptations? it made me laugh. people seem to forget that these guys were trained to make ANIME and not adaptations. 8-bit have unbelievable cinematography and embrace Sakuga which is incredible. Tensho is a fantastic director. People hated Grisaia because word spread of how rushed it was. yet.... in my eyes and the eyes of a few others who don't give a crap about adaptation and only the ANIME, thought it was absolutely masterful.
Parasyte proved a 'good adaptation' can sometimes result in not adapting the soul of the series and result in me wasting so much of my life watching it. UBW proved that excellent writing results in nothing but frustration to a viewer who has no intention of spending hours on research after. Shinbo gets bashed because he is creative. Naruto S #167 gets taboo'd because it's different. Kekkai Sensen gets dropped by hundreds because of anime original content (that made the manga look so bad in comparison). I've noticed a trend. Being creative is bad Being unique is bad Writing to simply entertain the viewer is unacceptable but good adaptation = (90% of the time) instant love. Realism = respect. complexity over entertainment = 4.5/5 ratings.... And I just started ranting again ahem anyway. what I'm saying is people need to start realising these guys are entertainers. theses guys are animators. that's all they want. to entertain through animation. and so why do the majority seem to ignore this fact and dis and cus at others just because they accept this fact? guess we will never know. |
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RestLessone
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I think it's a bit inconsiderate of someone to blast a movie so harshly when it's obvious your friend liked it. At least in this particular context; you both see it, your friend is heavily invested and even cries, then you go on a rant right after. It's important to read the atmosphere. Your friend might feel down about it just because she was hoping to share something special with you.
That said, I disagree with the basis of this comic. She shouldn't take it to heart. I love reading criticism. I love reading debates about the validity of criticism directed at a particular work. My favorite works have their flaws and I'll willingly acknowledge them. Lots can be gained from criticism. The author comes across as saying, "Don't criticize anything because I want to have my opinions parroted back." Perhaps she hasn't thought critically before, but at the very least, she should be able to articulate her feelings (ie; what are the shortcomings and why don't/do they matter, etc.). It's on her if a work is ruined because someone else didn't like it. There are a few things I love that my friends hated, but I don't wallow in self pity about it. But maybe Japan doesn't have the critic culture of the west? Movie criticism especially is popular in the US. Some of it can be very biting, though often humorous and entertaining. |
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H. Guderian
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While I do think there is still room for criticism in anime, a plenty! I definitely am sick and tired to have that one 'friend' who seems to be on a missions to hate and critique everything. yes there is room for critical comments. I personally withhold anything negative about a film or movie until the following day, unless it was really major and everyone there clearly already thought so.
A lot of enjoying anime comes down to living in the moment and not trying to impress with College Literature Cred. |
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AwaysAnnoyed
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In the last year, two animes were spoiled for me a bit through reviews/criticism.
The first was the Seven Deadly Sins. I didn't know the manga, but I'm a sucker for faithful adaptions, so when I heard a reviewer rant and rave about everything that got left out, it made me pretty upset as well. I did finish the first season, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I would have if I've never watched that reviewer's videos. The second when an episode of an anime was compared side-by-side with the corresponding part in the manga. I've read said part of the manga, but long before said episode aired, so I didn't realize the changes. When I did see what got added and what got left out, it also flipped my impression of the episode probably from a 10/10 to a 5/10. I remember that I hated feeling like that, and that's why I try to stay away from manga-to-anime comparisons at all times. |
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Shenl742
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Yeah, if the message behind this was just "don't be an ass when you criticize something", that would've been fine. But it feels like she just takes it too far to the point where she's saying "The very concept of Criticism itself is painful!" |
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