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YotaruVegeta
Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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The person who wrote in about buying the DVDs and still watching fansubs anyway is somewhat strange to me.
I don't see too much different between actual subs and fansubs, other than that the fansubs use different sized fonts or different style fonts. I could also give them credit for obsessively subtitling everything. I wish a fansubber was on Moyashimon, because someone thought Americans can read Japanese! I don't disregard their passion and the work they put into subbing, but I don't care all that much if they're "working" or not. 5 to ten years ago I would have cared more. Also, I skimmed through the comments (fansubbing must be either tied or #2 to moe in terms of popular subjects) and people still have that "It must be day and date, or close to it!" mentality. I wonder why people feel that this is necessary. Is it a competition? Is it a feeling that if we get the anime on the same day as Japan, we are more Japanese for getting that privilege? Anime doesn't rot. If it's good live, it's good a week later. Maybe it's because others are watching it quicker through fansubs and you want to take part in the virtual water cooler talk? |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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bob51
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You know, thinking about it correctly, even if I wanted to support a show I liked, most of the money probably goes to the studio and not the author, kinda makes me want to support it even less. But you know, every individual series has it's own individual cast, it's not because the cast that made series X a while ago that series Y will die, if anything more people will only have to turn to that show now. You're assuming that there is nothing after the roof. That was childish and didn't make sense uh? That's how what you said felt to me. If I ever would be "supporting" the industry, I'm not thinking of the animators editors etc, I don't care about the company at all, the only person I would want to thank is the author of the original work, everyone else is disposable, well maybe not the director, him too, but most of the money doesn't go to them, isn't that how it works for most businesses? |
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mdo7
Posts: 6280 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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So if you think Piracy is harmless, does that mean what the Somali pirate is doing is harmless? So applying your logic, it's harmless to: -rob a bank as long as no innocent people get kill or injure. That's a harmless crime, right? -commit a school shooting because you're a victim of bullying and the school administrator and teacher didn't stop the bullying. Kill the bullies as long as no innocent people get hurt or kill. That's harmless because only bullies derserve to be punished not innocent people, right? -shoplift item from store back on topic: Interesting Answerman article, and I really like it a lot. |
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Animehermit
Posts: 964 Location: The Argama |
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maybe you should go back and reread the second line of his post, heres a hint, its the one that you made bold, but just for arguments sake:
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mdo7
Posts: 6280 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I like to play his with ikillchicken logic. So yeah I have to maybe throw in the Somali pirate for a good reason which I can't say on here. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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I think that's it precisely. Not only participate, but just follow ~ "hey, that's a spoiler!". DB has written about how their download base grew, and they noticed that when they started getting subs out at about the same time as speedsubbers, their download figures jumped. For all the shouting by DB fanbois that the quality of their subs could never be matched by Viz Media ... clearly over half of the downloads were from "must have it fast" mentality viewers. And of course a big part of why the leech streaming sites engage in illegal uploads rather than just skimming what it already out there is to ensure that they have the big series up at about the same time as everyone else. Of course, if the water cooler was a crowd that only watches by legit means, then whether that is an hour after the first Japanese broadcast, an hour after an Animax airing (as FMA:Brotherhood was), or three years later wouldn't really matter. |
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Zin5ki
Posts: 6680 Location: London, UK |
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This is a substantial point. I must note that it seems to support the hypothesis that the plausibility of streaming is restricted by the monetary resources of the companies who hold the rights to do so, amongst other things. Fortunately enough, the industry insider has duly responded to my question. Apparently, his company were not approached for the sub-licence rights to the series they release on DVD over here. He tells me that they have something planned for the future, however. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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Every anime is a group effort. If you appreciated an anime, you appreciated the combined work of writers, directors, animators, voice actors, sound designers, musicians and more. And money going to "the studio" is dominated by money going to pay people to do those things. Physical publications of all sorts (books, DVD's comics, etc.) often deliver 10% to 20% income to the creators and the bulk goes to the physical production and distribution. So if you feel an emotional need to deny a living to everyone else connected with the industry, over and above the studios themselves, its the subscription streaming sites that deliver the largest fraction of their gross revenue back to the studios that create the work.
That suggests that the next time Crunchyroll does an anime member survey (and shinji has said in a recent ANNCast that he reads each and every one), any UK members remind them that they have seven R1-only series that are also licensed by different distributors in the UK, and Crunchyroll needs to approach them about rights. I can understand if Crunchyroll has focused on expanding region rights for simulcasts, but seeming to have cracked that nut with their simulcasts, at least for Northern Europe, an increase in the coverage of their back catalog is something to pay attention to. And, after all, after Tai Seng and TVB got into a tussle whether shows could be streamed on Crunchyroll, Crunchyroll was happy to do the work of setting up a streaming site for Tai Seng ... developing improved relationships with R2/UK distributors could lead to more paying work on that front as well. |
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bob51
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That is a good point, yes, and I'm sure the company does a good job distributing, the small fraction allocated they people actually working, representatively of their importance in the work. And honestly, I refuse to believe that most of the money goes to them. Show me some numbers, sources. And I do feel like denying them a living if I judge their creations to be, you know, bad, or average honestly, if it doesn't go more than that, if I don't get excited by it at all, I don't see why they would deserve my money. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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I know you're capable of speaking coherent English. I've seen you do so in other topics. Therefore, I know you understand that piracy has multiple meanings and understand that I'm referring to the copyright infringement kind of piracy only. So stop feigning ignorance and derailing the conversation. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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Huh?
I've seen one claim it directly. It'd be unlikely they would lie about that, since if they do the information will slip out someday. I know that Hulu pays 70% to the rights owner for its big content partners, and this source says they average 60% to 65%, but smaller content providers may go down as low as 50:50. The anime share between the license holder and the original rights owner is not disclosed there, for one thing because they are focusing on Hulu's overall business model and for another thing because that it independent of Hulu. TheAnimeNetwork, I've seen no information on their online revenues, and they are privately held so there is no need for them to release that info. So its by no means conclusive proof that would hold up in a court of law, but on the other hand if you just refuse to believe it barring irrefutable evidence to the contrary, the way you've set up the burden of proof shows that its \not really about evidence, its about something internal.
But you can't just get "the exceptional stuff and only the exceptional stuff", the real world doesn't work like that. 90% of everything is crud ... unless the 100% is produced, including the 90% that's crud, the 10% that's good does not exist. I'll presume that you are among the small minority in whatever field you are in to earn your money that is exceptional, but the majority of people are average ... for most people, if the source of their income imposed the same standard of having to be far above average, there'd be no money to spend on entertainment in the first place. |
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rojse
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In regards to the question about whether the abundance of thirteen-episode anime series over movies is a good or not, sometimes it can work quite well - the longer running time of a short series over a movie (five hours compared to two hours) can, in an ideal situation, serve to more fully explore the characters, story and ideas in a show that would be impossible in a movie. If a show is made merely to adhere to a running time of five hours when it it should have been either a movie or a twenty-six episode television series, the storytelling and characterisation in the show can suffer rather badly.
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rojse
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For older anime releases that are not available in English on DVD, and are not likely to be released on DVD in English (example, "Legend of Galactic Heroes"), I see no problem with downloading that show to watch. I'm not depriving any English-territory company of money they would earn if I purchase that release, and importing an item from Japan that I can't understand does seem rather pointless.
If a show is available on DVD in English in some form (even if I have to import it), then I will import it. It's not difficult to find a cheap, region-free DVD player, and even if I can't support my local anime companies I'm supporting another company instead, even if it is in America. |
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asimpson2006
Posts: 3151 Location: USA |
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Some people still use both DVD's and fansubs for watching stuff, it just depends on the justification of watching fan subs. I still watch fansubs I won't lie about that, however I will only use them for something that does not have an R1 release (example Legend of the Galactic Heroes) The big difference I see between fansubs and actual subs is that usually the actual subs have better translations. I've seen some horrible fan subs in terms of translations (the first one that comes to mind is one fan sub of Saint Seiya that I seen where they couldn't spell the characters name correctly and when someone would say die in Japanese it would get translated as "Go to Die") |
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