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NEWS: Japan's Child Pornography Bill Would Not Restrict Anime, Manga


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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:36 pm Reply with quote
revolutionotaku wrote:
A scientific report in Denmark has proved that cartoons, anime & manga do not lead to sex crimes.
http://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cartoons-and-child-sex-abuse/

Ah, but Tsuchiya seems to think it leads to murder (the case he cites doesn't seem to involve rape, at least not according to the linked article).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:36 pm Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
revolutionotaku wrote:
A scientific report in Denmark has proved that cartoons, anime & manga do not lead to sex crimes.
http://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cartoons-and-child-sex-abuse/

Ah, but Tsuchiya seems to think it leads to murder (the case he cites doesn't seem to involve rape, at least not according to the linked article).

A friend of my girlfriend told me that "anime & manga doesn't cause crimes, people do".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:59 pm Reply with quote
[quote="revolutionotaku"]
Shiroi Hane wrote:
revolutionotaku wrote:
A scientific report in Denmark has proved that cartoons, anime & manga do not lead to sex crimes.
http://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cartoons-and-child-sex-abuse/

Ah, but Tsuchiya seems to think it leads to murder (the case he cites doesn't seem to involve rape, at least not according to the linked article).


I haven't seen any outright claims of rape, however the suspect confessed he took her back to his apartment and then killed her when she started making noise.

Source: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/06/04/national/abducted-girl-7-slain-noise/#.U6XV8_ldWgU
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:20 pm Reply with quote
lebrel wrote:
People, this is not about loli and shota. It's not about porn. If the current Japanese CP law is applied to manga, any manga with a sexy shot of a topless high school girl will be CP:

Text of law (translated):

3 (iii) "Any pose of a child wholly or partially naked, which arouses or stimulates the viewer's sexual desire."

Remember that "child" means a person under 18. So everything from Love Hina to Sensual Phrase would be grounds for prosecution.

Yes, and CNN's hitpiece not only blurred out a manga that was NOT porn, it also tried to make the case that Love Hina is child porn, which as you say, would definitely be the case if the law was applied to manga/anime:

http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/LatestNews/News1/CNN-Vilifies-Manga-as-Child-Porn-5747.aspx

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The comic picked out is actually really nasty stuff-- Dolls Fall is by the author of Corpse Party and is likewise vomit-inducingly gory-- but it's horror, not pornography.
....

The villain in the CNN story is of all people Ken Akamatsu, who's given the usual ten seconds of free speech talk. The reporter, perplexed, brushes his finger up against a Love Hina bath scene (I think he's into Kitsune) and asks “But these aren't... children being raped?” He's not really sure what to do without it, doesn't seem to understand how this Japanese non-child-rape comic book exists.


I've mentioned before that all the titles with buxom high schoolers like Ikkitousen would also be considered child porn (and actually is in NZ).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:16 pm Reply with quote
On the Tokyo episode of the CNN series "Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown", there is an unbiased report on yaoi & testicle hentai manga.
"Urotsukidoji" creator Toshio Maeda explains how he uses testicles as a loophole to get around Japan's censorship laws.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:31 am Reply with quote
He also explains that these things exist because he thinks people feel repressed and need some sort of out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:38 am Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
He also explains that these things exist because he thinks people feel repressed and need some sort of out.

That's because the Japanese cannot be rude in public.
So they use the manga as a way to "let off steam".
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:07 am Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
revolutionotaku wrote:
A scientific report in Denmark has proved that cartoons, anime & manga do not lead to sex crimes.
http://cbldf.org/2012/07/danish-report-discredits-link-between-cartoons-and-child-sex-abuse/

Ah, but Tsuchiya seems to think it leads to murder (the case he cites doesn't seem to involve rape, at least not according to the linked article).


like it or not but that report is an epic fail. its no better than those other BS reports stating that violent video games are the main culprit in some teens getting aggressive in school and had a part in the columbine massacre.

definitely glad their not going after lolicon and shotacon cause putting them as the same level as CP is beyond stupid and closed minded that its not even funny.

cause you better believe that if they had done it a crapload of those manga authors would quit in protest and a major of otakus would probably boycott japan and considering that their economy stinks as bad as the US they need the tourism income, which goes to show that the old saying is still true.

sex sells and until the otaku community lose interest in lolicon and shotacon (which is highly unlikely in this or the next generation) and all the beliefs and opinions those politicans & govt jackasses have, will fall to the might of the all powerful dollar. as well as in the voting booth too.


revolutionotaku wrote:
On the Tokyo episode of the CNN series "Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown", there is an unbiased report on yaoi & testicle hentai manga.
"Urotsukidoji" creator Toshio Maeda explains how he uses testicles as a loophole to get around Japan's censorship laws.


I remembered watching that episode. hell its the only time i was willing to watch any political news channel.

it definitely explains why he is know as a revolutionist cause if he had tried that loophole in this age, i doubt it would go well. though the real shock was he was showing that to Bourdain in a public restaurant and the waitress have like a blank stare like if its was the norm.

which makes me wonder what the hell the govt have such a beef about content like that as well as lolicon and shotacon when the public and especially public places like that restaurant have no problem with content like this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:22 pm Reply with quote
NGK wrote:
I'm calling arms for further fortification of The Japan Ink. 2D Industry Complex (I just made these term up) should fight back, NRA style!

We should advice manga/LN/anime publishers in Japan that they should take a page or the whole book from National Rifle Association on how to deal with outside forces who are trying to destroy its freedom (in this case for 2D publishers... artists' expression), commerce & culture.

By now I'm sure everyone here knows who/what NRA and its arm NRA-ILA is, and why it's one of few NGOs that racked up a lot of victories besides the American Gaming Association (AGA).

heck, NRA even fought the UN and won!
Yes, I'm so glad Middle Eastern arms dealers will have the jackbooted thugs of Interpol off their backs thanks to the NRA's heroic efforts.

But Jon Stewart also compared the situation in this bill to the NRA's anti-gun-safety lobbying, while ignoring that the misuse of the products protected by the NRA has harmed actual living children, whereas the anime/manga industry's products do not involve real children in their production.

I do wonder what other NRA tactics we could adopt. Open-carrying lolicon manga into preschools?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:29 pm Reply with quote
The fact that we have people actively advocating for censorship of art tells me a lot about about what kind of people inhabit segments of this fandom. We have a bunch of people who want to ban something for no other reason than the fact that they don't like it. Whatever happened to just not consuming media you don't like?

The fact that this is even a discussion bothers me deeply.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:29 am Reply with quote
Timeenforceranubis wrote:
The fact that we have people actively advocating for censorship of art tells me a lot about about what kind of people inhabit segments of this fandom. We have a bunch of people who want to ban something for no other reason than the fact that they don't like it. Whatever happened to just not consuming media you don't like?

The fact that this is even a discussion bothers me deeply.

Same here. Sad
And what bothers me even more is people who put fiction and reality on the same level. Shocked I find it not only stupid, but plain offensive for actual victims... how can actual people be compared to fictional characters?!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:47 am Reply with quote
After watching the video on CNN, I want to ask a question.
Were the parents even aware of the CNN camera crew filming 5-second clips their children to use in this report & did CNN get their permission first?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:38 pm Reply with quote
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NGK wrote:

I do wonder what other NRA tactics we could adopt.


It's all perfectly laid out here...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/amyshowalter/2013/05/16/five-reasons-the-nra-won-the-recent-gun-control-debate-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-politics/print/

... where NRA won epically considering the backdrop over the incident at that time
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