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EP. REVIEW: CROSS ANGE Rondo of Angel and Dragon

I believe in good and evil. It is an easy standard to weigh people against.

Misogyny is not a term I use, and it is pretty much meaningless to me.

You are either good or evil, based on your actions.

All this show is to me, is just another ‘over the top’ violent anime. Just like a lot of other anime. You on the other hand are one the show’s biggest cheerleaders. Your dedication in slamming this show, and your over analysis of it, just shows how much interest you have in it. Vocal detractors are just as important to a show, as positive support is. A show is doing something right when it grabs even those who dislike it, in such a visceral way.

Evil is real in our world, and I think it should be exposed and showed in all its gory details. Too many people like to pretend evil is some alien concept and horrible things happen to people too far away to care about.

Personally, I don’t think the show is praising anyone, or that the writers and director were making some pro rape teaching guide. But that’s just me I guess. That’s all that I’ll be saying, at least for now.

The problem is that some people will actively discourage anyone from thinking too hard on issues like these. Denying that there is anything that can be offensive about it in the first place, or that it doesn't matter, or that it is "technically" not rape because of this or that little detail (because subtext means nothing), or worst of all, that it is justified to use this content in this manner because it happens to such an unlikable character. This is the very antithesis to intelligent debate and critical thinking. This is the death of intelligence itself.

Who is saying that it was not "technically" attempted rape? No one.

Who is saying that this isn't potentially offensive to some? (That's pretty much the definition of "edgy.") No one.

Who is saying that it's justifiable because it's happening to an unlikable character? You, and only you.

Look, you have made it absolutely, abundantly clear that you find the show and how it does things offensive. Okay, fine; there's a lot of people who agree with you on that. What you seem utterly unwilling to accept is that some of us don't. You don't seem satisfied with anything less than an absolute, universal acknowledgement that the series is offensive and symbolic of everything that's wrong with the anime and the world in general, and you clearly are not willing to accept any argument that there may be legitimate reasons why the series is doing what it is beyond it just trying to appeal to people who get off on the content you find offensive. Every time someone tries to counter one of your points, you slam it as irrelevant or claim that you don't care because it doesn't fit with your view of how horrible what the series is doing is.

That, my friend, is also the "death of intelligent debate."

Hate the show and what it's doing if you want; I'm not going to try to dissuade you. But I am also tired of you trying to make this into your personal soapbox and I'm not going to feed it anymore, either.

Are you kidding me? You may not have done these things personally, but you'd have to be blind not to see them happening all over this thread and the one about the fall previews. I believe the most common argument for why that scene from the first episode wasn't rape was that "it's just a medical exam", and then when it became clear that it was a procedure to give her an implant it became "see, it wasn't rape at all". There have also been a lot of comments using Shonen Jump Weekly as an insult because people apparently had the gall to overthink this and find it offensive.

I don't buy any of your more lenient interpretations of the show because I find them incredibly far-fetched, which isn't anywhere close to dissuading debate or demanding universal agreement. I also think some of the misogynistic elements of the show are so bloody obvious that I don't understand how some people can miss them, but that is another matter. I have already made it clear that I make no judgments of people who like the show. On the other hand, there are a lot of people in these forums who thinks that anyone with an unfavorable opinion of it is just a "hater", which really pisses me off.

Good for you then.

Key wrote:

Who is saying that it was not "technically" attempted rape? No one.

Are you kidding me? You may not have done these things personally, but you'd have to be blind not to see them happening all over this thread and the one about the fall previews. I believe the most common argument for why that scene from the first episode wasn't rape was that "it's just a medical exam", and then when it became clear that it was a procedure to give her an implant it became "see, it wasn't rape at all". There have also been a lot of comments using Shonen Jump Weekly as an insult because people apparently had the gall to overthink this and find it offensive.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people in these forums who thinks that anyone with an unfavorable opinion of it is just a "hater", which really pisses me off.

You on the other hand are one the show’s biggest cheerleaders. Your dedication in slamming this show, and your over analysis of it, just shows how much interest you have in it. Vocal detractors are just as important to a show, as positive support is. A show is doing something right when it grabs even those who dislike it, in such a visceral way.

Wasn't Agne's name known to Tusk well before she introduced herself? It was written on that curtain she put up.

So what is it with mecha series and stranding their protagonists on islands?

No, Tusk didn't know Ange before she dropped on the island