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Daemonblue
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I'm not saying it was right for them to have that at all (and in Canada, as mentioned even the fake stuff is banned) but rather the amount they had could be reasoning behind a lesser sentence. Think of it in terms of songs and the RIAA (I know, I know, just an example). They wouldn't charge you the cost of 1000 songs when you've only pirated one song. I know it doesn't compare well when it's something involving real children, but if they had an exhorbitant amount of real stuff I dout they'd be getting off with this little. |
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TsukasaElkKite
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3 months?! They had real child porn in there too. I would think that the sentence would be at least 25 years for posessing child porn.
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neocloud9
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I'd imagine the use of the term "non-deviant" would be referring to a relationship between two consenting adults.
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frentymon
Forums Superstar
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Nah. The typical sentence for possession of child porn, at least in the states, is around 5 years. |
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Raida|23
 Posts: 21 Location: Italy |
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The problem, though, is not the three months. Problem is these guys need help. And I'm not so sure they will receive it.
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Dimlos
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Ashen Phoenix
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My sentiments exactly. VCP is an exceedingly subjective issue, but real life kiddie porn is, has, and always should be treated as intolerable imho. |
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CCSYueh
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I read the article 3 times & couldn't figure out if the assault stuff was among the live stuff or the anime stuff. Realistically, due to Canada's law protecting virtual minors, these 2 fry for it. It'd be interesting to know if the one brother claiming to be unaware of the images was really unaware & sucked in because it was apparently a joint computer (& getting the screws for being homosexual) considering the other admitted to being attracted to minors. (So hey, some of you could be damning an innocent person). I also am sort of appalled at the cries for a longer sentence when one just might be sort of innocent & the other apparently needs help. Yes, it's good he was caught because he didn't seem motivated to get help on his own, but he apparently knew being attracted to minors is wrong. He also doesn't seem to have acted on his desires so a lighter sentence was possibly in order. Do we throw all drug addicts behind bars because they might succumb to their desires? The guy has a hard load to deal with for the rest of his life & he will have to fight his desires, but lots of people with negative habits do this every day. Hopefully he'll be one of the successful cases. Can one say much different about society? Seems to me we parade minors around in the media in pretty sleazy terms. I'm safely outside the Miley Cyrus world (daughter's way past teen idol stage), but I seem to recall something about her being underage & posing for some risque pix awhile back. That former Miss California bit about her posing nude when she was maybe not yet legal age. Because these are gals & the pix are aimed at males, it's "heathy"? We all have our vices we have to fight. Some are just higher up on the scale than others (say, the desire to down a pint of Dryers every meal vs the desire to rape, pillage, or plunder one's neighbors). |
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Triley
Posts: 14 Location: New Hampshire, US |
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I'm actually the boyfriend of David, and I'd like to set some things straight here, okay? David looked at shota at one point on Forosdz.com, merely because he came across it. (This case started before they separated the shota in to its own sub-forum.) He never downloaded it, nor the real kiddy porn. His twin admitted to everything being his. David was questioned in the police station without a lawyer, after asking three times for one. He was denied each time, with legal aid saying "you won't need one", while it turned out that they just didn't have one available, which is complete bullshit. Then, both of them entered a guilty plea, which was suppose to get David a sentence of the 14 days. After court yesterday, he found out that they changed it to 90 days (or 60 with good behavior). Is the Crown allowed to change it like that? His lawyer told him it would be 14 days if he pleaded guilty. If he pleaded innocent and got proven guilty, it would have been 90 days, he said. After all that happened, what was the point of putting in the plea, instead of taking our chances? On a final note, I'd like to remind you that you can not always believe everything you hear from the media. There are people's lives at stake. I live in the US, and I was banking on him sponsoring me to become a permanent resident. Now I will need to find a job offer, and even then, it'll suck for us to find a place we can live. |
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Shay Guy
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The question of whether drawn images are subject to the same penalties as photographed child pornography depends on why exactly creation, distribution, and possession of child pornography are such severe crimes. The key difference between the two is that since the comic artists don't draw with live models (at least in this case...hopefully), no children are harmed in the actual production of the material. This is at the very least a large part of the crime, and possibly the whole of it, since I doubt reading/watching child pornography makes one significantly more likely to prey on children (secondary effects) -- it is an effect of a common cause, not a cause in itself.
This would suggest that drawn images should be considered a much lesser crime than photographs, and correspondingly carry a much lesser sentence. |
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Triley
Posts: 14 Location: New Hampshire, US |
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The thing no one seemed to mention, is that Corey had a supposed boyfriend in Germany. When they started going out, Corey was 19, and his boyfriend told him he was 16. Well, it turns out that he was actually 15. I know for a fact that they cybered, since his boyfriend had nothing but a big mouth. (I also know that apparently Corey is bigger than David. Isn't that wonderful to know?) The thing that scared the shit out of me, is the fact that I let him use my current laptop, since it has a webcam. (This was way before the case was brought about.) But the harddrive had been wiped out a few times before the time he used it, and when the case was brought up, so there was no sense in turning it in. |
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LordRedhand
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Think of it in the case of drawn images as a crime against yourself as opposed to others. In this instance then it's not objectifying the object that's the problem it's the objectification of oneself that is the concern. The reason that the punishment is lighter is that the one's involved recognize that they need help. Present the argument above that "Right" and "Wrong" don't exist and therefore didn't do any damage or anything wrong would have met a different punishment altogether. |
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neocloud9
Posts: 1178 Location: Atlanta, GA |
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Jeez, so he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Glad his brother came clean, but it's a real shame he got dragged down with him. The legal system can be so backwards sometimes. Best of luck getting everything sorted out with your immigration. |
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Triley
Posts: 14 Location: New Hampshire, US |
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Yes he was. In fact, I had him here in the US with me when the police went in and took the computers (one was actually my former laptop, and then an older desktop they had.) I've tried to tell him that he needs to do something about this, so it doesn't happen to someone else (being questioned without having a lawyer, after asking for one several times.) I know that in the US, the case would be declared a mis-trial, and basically everything would be thrown out against him. I wanted him to find out if this could apply to him as well, but well, the articles are right, he is too timid. Also, the twin's younger brother went in for questioning as well, and without a lawyer I may add. When it came time for taking his statement, the police twisted his words around, to make him look like he did something as well. So, chances are, they did the same thing to David. Even though he just looked at it, they probably have it written down as him being in possession of. |
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JLightstar
Posts: 140 Location: Venice, Florida |
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I have one question, Was this plea consulted with the prosecution beforehand or was this wishful thinking on the lawyer's part. Did the prosecution, the defense, and the accused meet at anytime to discussed this. I don't know how Canadian law works, but if such a deal existed, it should have been in writing and submitted to the judge. Course, I assume the judge has a right to accept or reject the deal. |
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