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Chagen46



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:36 pm Reply with quote
In what wondrous fictional land is bisexuality priveleged? To most people I'm not different than a gay person--and you KNOW how they act.


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The best part is you actually believe you're on the opposing side, yet you don't realize you would still be thrown under a bus by them without a second thought on grounds of being a man.


You, like most sexists, are now starting to talk about these fictional beings you call "radical feminists" even though they don't actually exist, but by god you people are convinced that they are hiding around the corner ready to steal your porn.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:15 pm Reply with quote
Game looks like trash either way. Why waste your time bringing out crap? Anyone who wants this should just import it.

And while the usual "US loves violence yet sex is not ok" argument has been dropped, I just find it funny it's being dropped in for a game like this. This isn't a game were sex or just females in general are treated in a respectable and mature matter. This is a game where young looking girls(or they even above the age of 13? oh I'm sure their bio claims they are) transform and make their already gigantic bouncy boobs even more gigantic and their ass transforms into something that should appear to be twirking at the local Hot rod show. It's a little much and it's pretty embarrassing that this is whats made.

I'm annoyed of the women in games argument as well and don't mind some fanservice, but come on this is a bit too much. "Oh it's supposed to be over the top". Oh I'm sure it is, but there's a point where this just becomes disgusting and all there is, the only thing left is the "objectification of women". And you know what, that's not cool.
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Surrender Artist



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:22 pm Reply with quote
I knew there was a reason why I seem to reflexively cringe and wonder, "is that really such a good idea?" when I think about reading ANN.

TitanXL wrote:
ZeetherKID77 wrote:
The only reason Dragon's Crown got all that attention was because Jason Schreier whined about it a year after people had looked at the character design for the sorceress, went "wow, that's excessive" and then looked past it because it's a Vanillaware title. His reaction was unwarranted and, like the majority of Kotaku's articles, late.


This. The Dragon's Crown stuff has been available to see for years. It's only Kotaku's click-bait trolling article that gave it any attention from the social justice warriors. And let's be honest here, it's going to sell even more now that it got such controversy because that's how these things tend to end. By trying to fight against it, they effectively gave it more money.


This is representative of a tactic that i think is in some ways more pernicious than any alleged bad effect of sexism. This approach is mostly a matter of undermining the validity and legitimacy of the subject so that it can be contemptuously dismissed. It tries to remove the possibility of discussing the subject and demeans those who try to raise it using largely irrelevant points while keeping anything specific comfortingly out of sight and mind. Instead of, "this feminist argument is wrong," it's, "SHUT UP!" and I think that's worse, because it denies it even a place at the table.

Although I will concede that the Kotaku article was uncessary, but only because the sort of thing it covered is kept in steady supply.

TitanXL wrote:
Chagen46 wrote:
]Unlike you, I am half-black and bisexual, and therefore am not cocooned in a soundproof bubble of luxurious privelege so dense I can't see two feet outside of my own viewpoint.


The best part is you actually believe you're on the opposing side, yet you don't realize you would still be thrown under a bus by them without a second thought on grounds of being a man. And bisexuality is considered privileged, so I'm not sure why you brought that up as if it helps you any. It actually hurts you that you admitted to possessing that adaptive privilege which homosexual and straight people don't have.


What in the actual F**K!?

This is what reading that did to me.

In a way this is just an extension of the same tactic as above. Now it's about defining one's opposition youself in a rhetorically and pyschologically convenient way with only self-servingly selective or no regard for what they really believe.

You can't even seem to conceive that there's something real motivating this. It's like you're so locked into your own perspective and desires that you have to shut any threat to them or capacity to recognize that threat down. Try reading Everyday Sexism for a little and to consider that there's at least a genuine motivation for all of this, not just some antagonistic power game.


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lostrune



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:22 pm Reply with quote
thebluehammer wrote:
Gotta love the USA, where pulling someone out of their car and splatting their brain matter on the asphalt with a 12-guage is just fine for video games... but ninjas in bikinis... that's where we draw the line!


Sex is okay in certain instances. Laughing You just have to aim it at women.
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getchman
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:23 pm Reply with quote
they are all in High school, so yes, they are all older than 13
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Alexander55



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:52 pm Reply with quote
After a day of hard work, I can say this made my day,.

Ken Berry is pretty awesome for announcing the release of this game. Physical or not, I must have it! I'll even have get myself a 3DS if I have to, that way I get Senran Kagura, Project X Zone, and Legend of Zelda(and all the remakes with it)!

As for the feminist debate around here, feminists shouldn't stick their nose in video games, fictional mediums, or free speech of any sort. Authors/producers should be free to produce whatever they want, that tailors to their consumers. This is a free country(in theory at the very least) and we should be allowed to consume, read, watch, and play with whatever we want. Nobody is being harmed by entertainment and nobody is degrading women as Anita Sarkeesian, and her crowd of far-leftists claim.

I have a couple of female friends who are who love games like Senran Kagura, Skull girls, and Neptunia a lot and they strongly disagree with the modern-day feminists. Other girls I've seen in Tumblr admit to openly objectifying men via smutty shoujo manga and Yaoi. And what do they say about the feminists. A BIG NO because they know that Feminists support double standards.

Women can't be objectified but men can? That doesn't make sense at all. We are all humans and its only natural that our sexual urges surface and you can't suppress them forever. Its only natural some of us, male or female, objectify one another, whether through entertainment or fantasy. There is nothing wrong with that. Nobody is being degraded through sexual-suggestive fantasies nor are they being denied opportunities.

Better to enjoy your life the way you want then feel sorry for not making much out of it. And no, Senran Kagura isn't going to be a solid game with character depth and sophisticated plot but whatever, to each to his/her own. People should enjoy whatever they want, regardless of what it is. If Feminists don't like these sort of games, they should just ignore them and move on with their lives.


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:53 pm Reply with quote
Surrender Artist wrote:
This is representative of a tactic that i think is in some ways more pernicious than any alleged bad effect of sexism. This approach is mostly a matter of undermining the validity and legitimacy of the subject so that it can be contemptuously dismissed. It tries to remove the possibility of discussing the subject and demeans those who try to raise it using largely irrelevant points while keeping anything specific comfortingly out of sight and mind. Instead of, "this feminist argument is wrong," it's, "SHUT UP!" and I think that's worse, because it denies it even a place at the table.


An ironic form of allegory, to be sure. This distinguishing remark made upon the, dare I evoke such a trite and insipid cliche, forgive my brashness, fairer gender, is astounding how much the ruffians in this communicative community of constitutions is flabbergasting. To attribute these falsifications onto an unimaginable boogeymen clique such as radical feminists who I said do not exist in this planar realm despite previous postings to this communicative forum had myself admitting that such persons do exist in this planet. To not be outraged at the mere sight of the feminine body like these oppressive troglodytes suggests they are no more than mere cur scurrying about in their own delusions and primitiveness. Such phallic imagery must be present in their vicinity at all times, lest they become less than primordial beings. These individuals of names such as configspace, TitanXL, and Polycell do nothing more than spread their caustic and acidic bile with every mere glance towards the outstanding vicinity.

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What in the actual F**K!?

[url=/watch?v=XGTAhTUFeiQ]This is what reading that did to me.[/url]

In a way this is just an extension of the same tactic as above. Now it's about defining one's opposition youself in a rhetorically and pyschologically convenient way with only self-servingly selective or no regard for what they really believe.

You can't even seem to conceive that there's something real motivating this. It's like you're so locked into your own perspective and desires that you have to shut any threat to them or capacity to recognize that threat down. Try reading [url=/]Everyday Sexism[/url] for a little and to consider that there's at least a genuine motivation for all of this, not just some antagonistic power game.


Indubitably. While I, a bisexual male, that is to say, one who can find both genders, not sexes, because sexes is a discriminatory category sent upon us by the patriarchy, am freely able to partake in a social outing with a female companion and appear straight to the onlookers and escape their ridicule, does not indicate I possess any sort of privilege that homosexual individuals who are quite easily identifiable by the same gender partner they are in public with and can easily be identified and ridiculedd. To assert that I am at any stage higher of the social meter because of this is quite frankly appalling and distressing, to be sure. I am most certainly just as downtrodden and have a omnipresent clairvoyant view of this issue that these entitled folk simply do not comprehend.
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TheFullmetalOne



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:22 pm Reply with quote
Chargan46 wrote:
Surrender Artist wrote:
This is representative of a tactic that i think is in some ways more pernicious than any alleged bad effect of sexism. This approach is mostly a matter of undermining the validity and legitimacy of the subject so that it can be contemptuously dismissed. It tries to remove the possibility of discussing the subject and demeans those who try to raise it using largely irrelevant points while keeping anything specific comfortingly out of sight and mind. Instead of, "this feminist argument is wrong," it's, "SHUT UP!" and I think that's worse, because it denies it even a place at the table.


An ironic form of allegory, to be sure. This distinguishing remark made upon the, dare I evoke such a trite and insipid cliche, forgive my brashness, fairer gender, is astounding how much the ruffians in this communicative community of constitutions is flabbergasting. To attribute these falsifications onto an unimaginable boogeymen clique such as radical feminists who I said do not exist in this planar realm despite previous postings to this communicative forum had myself admitting that such persons do exist in this planet. To not be outraged at the mere sight of the feminine body like these oppressive troglodytes suggests they are no more than mere cur scurrying about in their own delusions and primitiveness. Such phallic imagery must be present in their vicinity at all times, lest they become less than primordial beings. These individuals of names such as configspace, TitanXL, and Polycell do nothing more than spread their caustic and acidic bile with every mere glance towards the outstanding vicinity.

Quote:
What in the actual F**K!?

[url=/watch?v=XGTAhTUFeiQ]This is what reading that did to me.[/url]

In a way this is just an extension of the same tactic as above. Now it's about defining one's opposition youself in a rhetorically and pyschologically convenient way with only self-servingly selective or no regard for what they really believe.

You can't even seem to conceive that there's something real motivating this. It's like you're so locked into your own perspective and desires that you have to shut any threat to them or capacity to recognize that threat down. Try reading [url=/]Everyday Sexism[/url] for a little and to consider that there's at least a genuine motivation for all of this, not just some antagonistic power game.


Indubitably. While I, a bisexual male, that is to say, one who can find both genders, not sexes, because sexes is a discriminatory category sent upon us by the patriarchy, am freely able to partake in a social outing with a female companion and appear straight to the onlookers and escape their ridicule, does not indicate I possess any sort of privilege that homosexual individuals who are quite easily identifiable by the same gender partner they are in public with and can easily be identified and ridiculedd. To assert that I am at any stage higher of the social meter because of this is quite frankly appalling and distressing, to be sure. I am most certainly just as downtrodden and have a omnipresent clairvoyant view of this issue that these entitled folk simply do not comprehend.


Good Lord! Your Thesaurus must be totally worn out by now! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:24 pm Reply with quote
Alexander55 wrote:
Women can't be objectified but men can? That doesn't make sense at all.


These topics never do Laughing
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:28 pm Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
Game looks like trash either way. Why waste your time bringing out crap? Anyone who wants this should just import it.

And while the usual "US loves violence yet sex is not ok" argument has been dropped, I just find it funny it's being dropped in for a game like this. This isn't a game were sex or just females in general are treated in a respectable and mature matter. This is a game where young looking girls(or they even above the age of 13? oh I'm sure their bio claims they are) transform and make their already gigantic bouncy boobs even more gigantic and their ass transforms into something that should appear to be twirking at the local Hot rod show. It's a little much and it's pretty embarrassing that this is whats made.

I'm annoyed of the women in games argument as well and don't mind some fanservice, but come on this is a bit too much. "Oh it's supposed to be over the top". Oh I'm sure it is, but there's a point where this just becomes disgusting and all there is, the only thing left is the "objectification of women". And you know what, that's not cool.


It's a fan-service game I'm well aware of what it's doing with the boobs, tearing outfits, however I just don't care. It is a pure guilty pleasure title and those that play this know that. I'm not playing this game for it's ground breaking story, writing or character with decent personalities. I would solely play this game for what it is trashy fun with jiggly effects. If anyone has any objections to this then feel free to come at me.

getchman wrote:
they are all in High school, so yes, they are all older than 13


All characters depicted in this game are at least the age of 18yrs or older.
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Rahxephon91



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Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:



It's a fan-service game I'm well aware of what it's doing with the boobs, tearing outfits, however I just don't care. It is a pure guilty pleasure title and those that play this know that. I'm not playing this game for it's ground breaking story, writing or character with decent personalities. I would solely play this game for what it is trashy fun with jiggly effects. If anyone has any objections to this then feel free to come at me.

Hey man, if that's what you like then more power to you. I don't think anyone should stop you from buying it.

I just think it's a pretty embarrassing game that's just another slap on the image of Japanese games and games in general.
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Chargan46 wrote:
Hilarity


Dude, I have not laughed that hard in ages, good job Wink
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Alexander55



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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:58 pm Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
Hey man, if that's what you like then more power to you. I don't think anyone should stop you from buying it.

I just think it's a pretty embarrassing game that's just another slap on the image of Japanese games and games in general.


I think the Japanese release a great balance of games in general. Well maybe they aren't heavy on the FPS genre as we are but there are some fun games that they release for everybody.

And no, this game isn't embarrassing anyone. Its game aimed at fanservice fans and that's all there is to it. There are plenty of renowned Japanese games to keep the wheel spinning for years to come. These type of games aren't going to distort their image because they aren't aimed at the mass market, they are mostly intended for a small audience of gamers.

Video Game sites biased to mostly to Western games however, such as Gamespot and IGN, are going to give you the vibes that these games greatly affect their rep when in truth they don't. I suggest you avoid them and sites alike as they are generally opinionated all the time and offer nothing in substance.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:02 pm Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
I just think it's a pretty embarrassing game that's just another slap on the image of Japanese games and games in general.


>_> guess it's a good thing we don't care what Americans think when it comes to video games. I know I stopped when companies have to xenophobically change and censor everything Japanese to American stuff in order to get Americans to even look at the things -_-; I'll never understand why I see people who still want anime to be more mainstream in America. you'll just end up getting more BS drama like this attached to it.. we should be glad our hobby is out of the eyes of these radicals.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:12 pm Reply with quote
Crispy45 wrote:
I'll never understand why I see people who still want anime to be more mainstream in America. you'll just end up getting more BS drama like this attached to it.. we should be glad our hobby is out of the eyes of these radicals.


YES!! thank you, another person capable of seeing reason!

I've been preaching this for years. I love that my hobbies are niche and out of the crosshairs of these psychos, because it allows them much more freedom to do whatever they want.
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