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BuffaloStyle



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:33 am Reply with quote
ShadowrazoR wrote:
those complaining parents and the site seem to have convieniently "forgotten" the fact that those manga are rated 13+. now what the hell is a 11 years old girl doing with a 13+ rated book?
BINGO!! I have a serious problem with this becoming an issue when it seems to me as though the library should not have allowed this 11 year old to check out the manga. If your 11 year old rented something that they shouldn't be able to rent, the problem isn't with what they rented. The problem is with the renter.
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crescendoll



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:34 am Reply with quote
Alright, for one, it's obvious that these people didn't bother to read all of Marmalade Boy or they would, a) know there is reason behind what appears to them to be 'swinging', and b) would probably be more upset at the spoiler[incest scare] towards the end.
That aside, I wonder if the parents would have been as upset if their kid brought home a trashy Harlequin or like-themed novel. For that matter, what if the book had not been manga but an American comic--would the parents have been indignant?
What I'd have liked to have been addressed in this article is: was the book shelved among children's books, bunched together with other manga and graphic novels, or was it put in the young adults section as per the +13 rating on it? I also want to know if the parents were at the library with the child and approved of the books before check-out.
The library can shelve books according to intended audience to help readers make good decisions about their choices, but the library has no right to restrict anyone of reading anything. If the girl took the book to the counter and asked to check it out, it is none of the librarians' affair to say 'no, not for you'. (At least, as long as the library isn't keeping porn in stock.)
One of the great things about manga is that it doesn't condescend for young readers; I'd hate to see one of manga's greatest virtues turn into something for (overly?)cautious 'rents to villify.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:34 am Reply with quote
Don't blame the parents. If they were irresponsible they wouldn't be ranting to the media about it. Blame the Librarian who allowed this girl to take out that kind of book in the firstplace. That book was stated to be in the "Young Adults section" An 11-year-old is not a young adult. I'd be just as upset, but I'd be asking the head librarian WTF? not burning the book.
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BuffaloStyle



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:38 am Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Don't blame the parents. If they were irresponsible they wouldn't be ranting to the media about it.
Methinks ranting to the media is irresponsible. This could get turned into an, "evil foreign influence" issue all due to the media's involvement.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:54 am Reply with quote
BuffaloStyle wrote:
Methinks ranting to the media is irresponsible. This could get turned into an, "evil foreign influence" issue all due to the media's involvement.
I agree that that was a bit OTT, but I can understand that reaction being a parent myself. However, I couldn't say that the angry parents were upset about the book, or upset about the library lending it to her. But we should remember that the press love to paint this stuff as "that Evil Japanese Drawings that will brain damage young children" angle to hype the readership. Wink
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BuffaloStyle



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:09 am Reply with quote
Sure, it is understanding that parents would be upset if their child was reading something that they believed to be inappropriate. The problem is getting the press involved since they tend to overexaggerate non-issues. All while real issues get ignored.
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Cosmic Kath



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:18 am Reply with quote
Welcome to the real world, miss 11 year old!

Of course, there are other types of manga you could read; there's a whole "magical girl" genre out there with cute boppy girls casting spells and stuff. ^____^

Oh wait... your parents would probably scream "witchcraft!" and get that banned too.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:23 am Reply with quote
Cosmic Kath wrote:
Welcome to the real world, miss 11 year old!

Of course, there are other types of manga you could read; there's a whole "magical girl" genre out there with cute boppy girls casting spells and stuff. ^____^

Oh wait... your parents would probably scream "witchcraft!" and get that banned too.
You may jest, but until one becomes a parent one will never understand. Wink
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Miaka chan



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:26 am Reply with quote
I trust my daughter to only take manga out of our library that is suitable for her. She's 14 and read Peach Girl when she was 12.
I think a lot of the problem is parents over reacting to the issues covered in the stories and I bet most of the parents who complain about things like this would be shocked to discover just how much of this stuff their kids already knew about! They learn it from their friends and as many pointed out, the TV. I doubt very much they are discovering any of this for the first time in a manga book Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:01 am Reply with quote
Miaka chan wrote:
I trust my daughter to only take manga out of our library that is suitable for her. She's 14 and read Peach Girl when she was 12.
I think a lot of the problem is parents over reacting to the issues covered in the stories and I bet most of the parents who complain about things like this would be shocked to discover just how much of this stuff their kids already knew about! They learn it from their friends and as many pointed out, the TV. I doubt very much they are discovering any of this for the first time in a manga book Laughing
I agree. but the main point with this is if that library is not keeping a check on what books are getting into childrens hands then they are violating the trust of parents. That is the controversy here. A child of 11 will not have the same understanding of the plot and events in it as a 14 year old and it's the misunderstanding that could cause problems later on. Children will not usually ask questions because of their feeling that they will "get in trouble" if their parents knew. All this report is highlighting is the "shock" of finding this type of material allowed to her by that library. I know my daughter would recoil at such a story about drugs and date rape and she's 11. I wouldn't want her to be seeing such things now and when I allow her to go to the library on her own, which I do, I expect the library to be responsible for what she is allowed to read. I have to if I'm to allow her that freedom.
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wildarmsheero



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:05 am Reply with quote
The only thing I'm worried about is if more manga comes over here, it will be edited to avoid things like this (like TenTen, I"s, etc).
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Anthony P



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:08 am Reply with quote
Cloe wrote:
All annoyances with over-protective and hyper-sensitive parents aside, what the heck is a "Problem Solver?" I don't believe I've heard that term used to refer to an official before.


Fox 4 News here in the Kansas City area has a team of "Problem Solvers", too; a more fitting title for them would be Problem Causers (har har).

Kenji_Ikari wrote:
Heh, I remember reading Christopher Pike books from the children's section of the library, back when I was in late elementary school.

...Yeah.


Yeah, no one batted an eye when I started reading Stephen King novels in fourth grade.
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Cowpunk



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:17 am Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
I agree. but the main point with this is if that library is not keeping a check on what books are getting into childrens hands then they are violating the trust of parents.


It is not the job of a library to deny access to books. It is the responsibility of parents to decide what is appropriate for their child to read. According to the story the manga were in the Young Adult section not the kids section. If mom is upset she should tell her daughter to not read books from that section.

When I do anime and manga panels or workshops for parents I always tell them that problematic material in a story has to be understood in context. I also point out that they should consider such story elements as an opportunity to discuss touchy issues with their kids.
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TheHTRO



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:18 am Reply with quote
First of all, to both Cowpunk and Mohawk52, the thing is, you're both right. It's the both the parent's AND library's responsibility.

In any case, we definitely have a case of American morals being applied to something that's not American. I didn't know that Peach Girl addresses these issues, but I'm sure that from the manga-ka's standpoint, it addresses these issues in the most honest way possible without condescending the readers. However, I agree that many non-Japanese take such things out of context and assume that they were done purely for "shock value". As such, I agree that it was definitely an overreaction as well as "irresponsible reporting" (especially considering that this particular manga came from the young adult section, which makes sense considering that in Japan the manga appears in "Bessatsu Friend"). I also agree that sooner or later we all learn that the world isn't always a friendly place, and that (every once in a while) these things need to be talked about sooner or later (i'm sure that's why the manga-ka addressed these issues in the first place). In short, I agree that they are making a big deal over nothing

However, I'm confident that this will subside after a while, so I don't think we should jump the gun just yet. As such, I'm also confident that this won't result in future manga aquisitions being edited in such a way. One thing's for sure, though. I wouldn't like something to be R-rated (or similar) just because a certain issue is addressed (it depends on the context of it).
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Vantos



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:23 am Reply with quote
Here is my e-mail to the Local6 "problem solvers" team. All of us should send one.

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I am sending this in response to your "Adult-Themed Comics at Library Shock Parents" article. While the comic-book medium is best known as something "for children," not all comics are aimed at children, especially 11-year-olds. It is irresponsible to assume that because a child inadvertently picked up a manga with adult content that it was drawn with the intention that the child would pick it up --- the manga mentioned in the article was clearly intended for an older audience. If such books were censored from libraries, not only would those who wish to read such material be deprived, but it may even scare the publisher into self-censorship, simply to avoid slanted, negative press stemming from "controversial content." Besides, if unsavory material is tolerated in regular novels, why is it all of a sudden "wrong" in comics?
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