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Animeking1108
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Okay, fair enough. However, a spoiler is still a spoiler. If TV Tropes censors the plot point, then I'm not supposed to know about it yet. I know that I shouldn't blame a fanbase, but the AOT fans are like the new Narutards. If it doesn't show up on a top ten list, they complain. If a flaw is pointed out, they complain. I don't necessarily hate AOT. I just think it's incredibly overrated. It's worst trait is the stock characters. They aren't annoying to the point of being offensive like in TMOHS. However, when you have a fanbase circle-jerking it like the Second Coming of Christ, people are going to expect perfection. |
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Leebo
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I think that's your problem. There's no reason to assume that because the number of people liking something is large that you'll enjoy it. |
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cloud8100
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Just don't involve all the AoT fans in that group  . It isn't all the ones who love the series that ruin it. It just seems like that lol.
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VORTIA
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Maybe I'm just getting old, but I agree with everything Tomino said.
When I initially heard about SnK, I was interested and deliberately sought out the manga to read it. Man was I dissappointed. The art was hideous, the plot seemed to have holes in it large enough for Titans to walk through upright, and it was just one exhibition of guro emo porn after the next. I forced my way through the first volume desperately hoping to find the experience others were feeling, but alas, I never encountered it. Since then I picked up a random later volume to see if it got any better, but it just appears to be more of the same. More power to all of you folks having a good time with this, but I have to say I find Tomino's assessment dead-on.a |
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LinkSword
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I love Isayama's artstyle. There's the rough, yet detailed and personal artstyle which fits the mood and I really enjoy, and then there's the shit that's just drawn uninspired and with zero effort on it like the manga's very spin-off, Before the Fall, which is some of the worst crap I could expect to come out of this money wagon.
As for Tomino, I'm not familiar with his manga drawings so I won't comment on that, but I'm certainly not a fan of the aesthetics of his anime works, like old school Gundam and so on. I totally disagree with his comments on the art, and the comparison to pornography is so unbecoming and unwarranted that I've just lost a good ounce of respect for him. Also, what he says about the work being difficult to read rings terribly false considering the sales, which admittedly skyrocketed after the anime, but this was already a solid cult hit with ~10.000.000 copies in circulation before it jumped to the little screen. Of course it's not on the same scale as One Piece which is just the perfect series for every kind of person (and my favorite manga, by the way), but Attack on Titan is earning its place and it wouldn't have triumphed (again, talking before-the-anime) on story/characters alone if everyone though the art was horrid - which is not. I especially love the way Titans are drawn, but action scenes are riveting with skill and care for detail. Heck, this man hasn't even read the work nor does he intend to, so just why does he think his opinion holds any weight being so uninformed? If this kind of feedback with the same knowledge on the work had been given by someone not notorious in the industry, he'd be bashed to the ground. TL;DR: Your loss, Tomino. Last edited by LinkSword on Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:04 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Chrno2
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So is Tomino the Spike Lee to Isayama's Tyler Perry?
Just let it go already geesh. His work isn't that bad. Ever seen the artist of Elfen Lied? Grotesque? Jo-Jo Bizarre's artist and the guy that did Lycanthrope Leo were grotesque. I would have the thought the whole idea of the bad art was part of the appeal. We ain't talking Chrono Crusade now. Hell, when I thought AoT was ugly enough the first thing I said was how does this book get a 'Tezuka Award' honor but look so F'ed up? Cliches? Let me know when there has been any artist that can write a book without ANY. Impossible. In the meantime, you got fansites stating that AoT is a robot show in disguise. Wow, never saw that coming. So where is the praise part of this article, seems like more hate than anything else. |
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mrsatan
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This is pretty typical for Tomino. He's the biggest curmudgeon in the industry, even worse than Miyazaki.
In fact, him actually liking something would be the more newsworthy. |
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bradc
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Because he's Tomino the great creator of the biggest franchise in history of Gundam. His opinion still matters as allowing the Attack on Titan creator to grow because he has more experience than the kid who just started out fresh even with success. Gundam is much bigger and 10 times larger influence than Attack on Titan that just started. Gundam in comparison with Attack on Titan is that is just a baby; it still needs more love and care. Last edited by bradc on Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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VORTIA
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Very true. Anyone familiar with Tomino's comments knows he's usually full of hate and criticism for everybody and everything, including himself. |
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dtm42
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Given that Tomino can't write good characters to save his life and likes to kill off characters just for fun, I think he should be careful about slinging stones at other people. Glass houses and all that.
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DmonHiro
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Gundam hasn't really been that relevat. Have you seen the last ones? I don't know what happened in the final third of 00, but it went downhill. AGE was pretty much hated by everyone, and now they're trying to reinvent it with Build Fighters. Thinking back, calling Tomino irrelevant to the current state of the Gundam franchise is a compliment.
And to be fair, he's just like Miyazaki: a grumpy old man who does not like the current anime industry, because the fans no longer really want what he used to create. Well... that's why I think Tomino's grumpy. I have no idea why Miyazaki's grumpy.... |
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bradc
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Seems to be a trend of Grumpy Grandpa criticizing their grandchildren.... It's probably not a bad thing, as it is part of growing up by listening to the pros that made it possible that is what the anime industry is today. 
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Tomibiki
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...Can we get some better posts in here?
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The Mad Manga Massacre
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I like this series though everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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LinkSword
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His experience does not matter whatsoever if he has not even read the works he's criticizing. That's just the pinnacle of stupidity. It's like I'm a pro chess player and I will just go and judge that other new player is shit because I don't like his face, or the way he picks up the pieces, instead of seeing him actually play the game. And that's not even an accurate comparison because Tomino's "mastery of manga" is something far more subjective. Blindly criticizing other's works based on the minimal expression of it is an extremely biased, prejudicial way to run your mouth off easily and not something I'm going to support regardless of the person's general experience or success, or even my personal love for them. If Eiichiro Oda did this with another's manga I wouldn't approve of it eith-- Oh, hold on. Oda is not this kind of person anyway. But just if. Last edited by LinkSword on Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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