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Animegomaniac
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:27 pm
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ChibiKangaroo wrote: | The characters often acted in ways that seemed unnatural. |
Yes, this is the point. It's a world where the living stopped having children, the dead walk, wishes come true {not free...} and all of this is monitored by Gravekeepers, a racial mixture of angels, zombies and vampires who wield a pretty mean shovel.
We as a normal audience can't really fathom their situation or their very nature; Example: Ai is always insistent that she's a Gravekeeper or at least a half Gravekeeper. Even after learning her mother was very atypical, she still wanted to be known as one of them even after experiencing first hand how inhuman they really are.
Even the very title has no bearing on its reality; Hambart gave a nice speech and everything, a very poetic take on Genesis but it has only belief behind it and no evidence {... Go with it, ok?}; When you get right down to it, aren't Gravekeepers more likely aliens than angels? Even if you look at it religiously, Gravekeepers look like someone's attempt to copy God's created humans but once they got the model right, they simply mass produced.
Or someone wished for aliens. Ok, where's Haruhi in all of this? Anyway, I love this series for its comedy. Oh and I really enjoyed Caitlynn French's performance; She's a lot better at the lively characters than the deadpan ones.
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Fronzel
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:33 pm
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ljaesch wrote: | But I agree that "concentration camp" was over the top for what as going on there; "prison" would have been a better term to use |
A concentration camp is a kind of prison.
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SheRrIs
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:08 pm
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The writing in that one was abysmal. The characters, and especially the little girl, were carton cutouts with zero psychological credibility to the point when it becomes disgusting. It's a waste of nice graphics on a below-average story really.
Animegomaniac wrote: |
ChibiKangaroo wrote: | The characters often acted in ways that seemed unnatural. |
Yes, this is the point. |
Do you really believe so? I'll give you one example. When Ai meets Hampnie she sees him exterminating the whole village. The brains of one of her neighbours are blown out right before her eyes. She comes at him and he kicks her with full force. What would be a believable reaction of a little girl? Maybe she would run away in fear, break down and cry, try to hurt him with all her might, vow to never forgive the man who took away her dear ones from her. ON NO OCCASION WOULD SHE FOLLOW THE STRANGER WHO CRUELLY DISPOSED OF HER FRIENDS. NO WAY SHE WOULD BEHAVE AROUND HAMPNIE AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED AND VIEW HIM WITHOUT A TRACE OF SUSPICION AND RESENTMENT.
This is some Fractale-level of writing believable reactions.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:11 pm
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That's true, it is a kind of prison. But "prison" carries less of an association with the Holocaust than "concentration camp," and for people who lost family in one during the war or know any survivors, the term is too loaded to use lightly.
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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:14 pm
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For a 1 cour show they did a very good job of making the story really quite satisfying.
I will most likely pick this up if it goes on sale at some point.
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ljaesch
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:23 pm
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Princess_Irene wrote: | That's true, it is a kind of prison. But "prison" carries less of an association with the Holocaust than "concentration camp," and for people who lost family in one during the war or know any survivors, the term is too loaded to use lightly. |
Doing some research, I came across the American Heritage Dictionary of "concentration camp": "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect."
So perhaps the thought here had been that since Goran Academy was a place where kids with special powers were being kept, this would fall under "membership in a group the government has identified as suspect."
To a lot of people, the image of concentration camps is the Nazis and the killing that took place at those camps. So while technically, I guess "concentration camp" would work for Goran Academy, the term has come to have a very specific meaning for people over the years. While I still prefer simply referring to Goran Academy as a "prison," it appears that "concentration camp" may not be incorrect in this case. But Rebecca does have a point that the term "concentration camp" has a loaded meaning due to the Nazis and what they did.
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toyNN
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:10 pm
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I thought the series had difficult time after the first arc which was very good. After that it just seemed to meander around, randomly introduced magical powers and other fantasies that started to stray from the initial premise.
Maybe I missed how it all worked together but it seemed to get way too complex for its own good.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:54 pm
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Sherris wrote: | .....ON NO OCCASION WOULD SHE FOLLOW THE STRANGER WHO CRUELLY DISPOSED OF HER FRIENDS. NO WAY SHE WOULD BEHAVE AROUND HAMPNIE AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED AND VIEW HIM WITHOUT A TRACE OF SUSPICION AND RESENTMENT..... |
Have to agree with that. You don't hang around the serial killer, that slaughtered everyone you knew and held dear.
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puppy1843e
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:19 pm
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I heard a lot of people cried at the end of the first arc over Hampnie's death. But I didn't even tear up until the Ostia arc when Alis' fate was revealed. I didn't understand the backlash towards the ending either. Didn't it play that way in the novels as well? Anyway, I do have to buy this when I get some funds. It's worth money for me on Alis alone
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ThisJustThis
Joined: 25 Jan 2014
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:36 pm
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TarsTarkas wrote: |
Sherris wrote: | .....ON NO OCCASION WOULD SHE FOLLOW THE STRANGER WHO CRUELLY DISPOSED OF HER FRIENDS. NO WAY SHE WOULD BEHAVE AROUND HAMPNIE AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED AND VIEW HIM WITHOUT A TRACE OF SUSPICION AND RESENTMENT..... |
Have to agree with that. You don't hang around the serial killer, that slaughtered everyone you knew and held dear. |
This is an oversimplification. Her reasons for following him were a combination of curiosity, resentment, and having nowhere else to go. On some level, she also begins to realize that he wasn't just "killing" them, that "death" wasn't as simple as having your brains blown out or being buried, and that "life", persistence, and existence aren't universally good. The exploration of this is what makes it more interesting than other series that have either unkillable or disposable characters. Do you want a character to end? Is it right? Why do we love, resent, worship, or blame the thing that gives and takes everything we hold dear?
With zombie shows having been done to death, there's a haunting beauty to this alternate interpretation of an abandoned post-apocalyptic world, where the dead aren't just trying to kill the living, but struggle to remain alive themselves.
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KH91
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:40 pm
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I cried when the true main character, Hampnie Hambart, was laid to rest. After that, there was a hole in my heart when I continued watching.
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Chiibi
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:15 pm
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ThisJustThis wrote: |
TarsTarkas wrote: |
Sherris wrote: | .....ON NO OCCASION WOULD SHE FOLLOW THE STRANGER WHO CRUELLY DISPOSED OF HER FRIENDS. NO WAY SHE WOULD BEHAVE AROUND HAMPNIE AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED AND VIEW HIM WITHOUT A TRACE OF SUSPICION AND RESENTMENT..... |
Have to agree with that. You don't hang around the serial killer, that slaughtered everyone you knew and held dear. |
This is an oversimplification. Her reasons for following him were a combination of curiosity, resentment, and having nowhere else to go. On some level, she also begins to realize that he wasn't just "killing" them, that "death" wasn't as simple as having your brains blown out or being buried, and that "life", persistence, and existence aren't universally good. The exploration of this is what makes it more interesting than other series that have either unkillable or disposable characters. Do you want a character to end? Is it right? Why do we love, resent, worship, or blame the thing that gives and takes everything we hold dear?
With zombie shows having been done to death, there's a haunting beauty to this alternate interpretation of an abandoned post-apocalyptic world, where the dead aren't just trying to kill the living, but struggle to remain alive themselves. |
Excellent rebuttal. I couldn't have put it better.
As for the matter of Hampnie....I would seriously like to take every author who thinks it's funny to tear apart a child and long-lost parent after they JUST found each other and effing strangle them with my bare hands.
Words of any language can't convey how cruel and unfair that whole trope is.
Pretty much the only writing choice I hated with this series.
You can bet I'll be stepping out of the room when I show this episode to my anime club.
I can't handle that scene.
I cannot.
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Shippoyasha
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:04 am
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I thought it was a fantastic show. For all its imperfections, it really was an ambitious and offbeat story and it's a great watch all in all.
Also, considering the dark subject matter, I actually think the fanservice was much needed relief.
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scineram
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:01 am
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TarsTarkas wrote: | Have to agree with that. You don't hang around the serial killer, that slaughtered everyone you knew and held dear. |
And so he didn't, because THEY WERE ALREADY DEAD!
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naki12
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:08 am
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Regarding the "concentration camp" thing, they actually said "強制収容所" which is a term that's used to refer to the Nazi concentration camps.
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