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louis6578
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I agree with you. Although personally, I don't really understand how Taroumaru died. If he was vaccinated, he should have been just fine, or at least as good as Kurumi is. If the vaccination wore off... shouldn't he have reverted back to a zombie? Did they think that showing the girls putting him down for good would have just been too dark in this upbeat finale? Either let Taroumaru live or show all the dark and gritty of his death. I'm disappointed in a few things that were left out, especially Miki coming back with the vaccine seconds before Yuri would have stabbed Kurumi in the head. This feels a little too happy. The sad bits feel too rushed in this episode. Despite me saying that it's too happy though, I do applaud the way that Yuki took care of the zombie students. It was heartwarming and thematically relevant. Aside from Taroumaru's weird de-zombification despite dying mere minutes later anyway of tragedy porn disease, the apparently zombified Kei was something that should have been given more thought in my opinion. Maybe it's just me. It doesn't bug me as much as Taroumaru, but I'm surprised that Miki's reaction was just silent tears. I guess a scene where they hold down zombie!Kei and try to vaccinate her would have been a little overblown for most people's tastes. In the end, I feel like this episode lacked the "oomph" of the previous two. It feels like it should have taken the first third or half of the episode to resolve the dramatic parts. This felt more like a "mid-season finale" than a series finale or a season finale. The post-credits scene at the end hints at a second season, but as someone who read the manga, I don't really think there's enough story to adapt it without making way more "cute girls doing cute things" filler (which I loathed) or making up a new couple of arcs where the girls actually have to fend for themselves against zombies and encounter other survivors, both good and bad (which I would love). If anime has taught us anything, it's that straying from the source material can be terrible (Gash Bell/Zatch Bell, Rurouni Kenshin), mediocre (Trigun, Bokurano, most filler arcs in shounen), good (Sailor Moon, Chrono Crusade), or, in very rare but welcomed cases, fantastic classics that many prefer over the original story (FMA 2003). With a zombie apocalypse about such unique girls with potential to develop who survived in a shelter while having a fun time, suddenly having to leave that shelter and face what the world around them has become, I don't see why it would be hard to make up a completely original plot about what they encounter. Innocence being shattered or preserved, perhaps the actual death of one of the members or having one of them be forced to kill hostile survivors. Am I giving the concept of School Live too much credit? |
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Dessa
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Remember, they said that they weren't sure if a vaccine meant for humans would work on a dog. It seemed to have worked well enough for reversing the zombification (at least to an extent), but not enough to save him.
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Gina Szanboti
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Didn't he? Or did the purported other dog dig him up? I figured the vaccine returned him to normal temporarily and then he died from his neck injury and came back as a zombie again. And I guess they really didn't put any SOS on the back of their "We're all happy, no worries here!" picture. :/ Anyway, not a bad ending, the whole series was better than I'd ever thought, and I'd probably watch another season if they do one. If they don't, that's ok too. |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 12 (finale)
 I cried, and it was Taromaru. It was about a year ago that my little dog that I had for years suddenly became sick, she could only whimper, could barely stand for a little while as she pecked at food, and needed help drinking water. It was a quite upsetting time, and seeing Taromaru suffering the same way made me really remember it. It is as horrible feeling of not being able to do anything as you see them in pain, and why I think that the is credence to the tropes involving dogs and tragedy.
The episode was well done, there was a huge amount of call backs to earlier, especially the first episode that had Yuki talking about the school, little did we know that even the non-assuming mention of the broadcasting room would be so important. So they were able to get the zombies to leave by rousing the memory of the end of the school day. It really focused on its theme of graduation, a mix of sadness, but also the strength to overcome that and move forward without letting that sadness overcome that. Yuki managed to stay the same optimistic and happy self, and we saw that the bloodied cap of Yuki is more than saying it was grim, in essence it was a connection she had with Taromaru. Oh, and the very end being in fact a more optimistic version of the ED with them in the car instead of walking on the road. Was it that they were ready to leave? I really loved this anime, I think that there was a lot of good work put into it where it is filled lots of details, event references, music, animation choice, and in general direction. It is not appeasing everyone, some really can't take the more calmer slice of life stuff where it is not focusing on the zombie apocalypse. But I honestly believe the show always keeps it consistently in the background, where the show is most importantly about living through it, rather than just surviving through it. And there are complaints about it not following the source material, to which I have to say something to you. An adaption absolutely does not have to follow its source material as much as you might think, that is as long as it keeps to what is actually important, which themes, rules, and trying to deliver a similar experience in the anime to what was perhaps done in its source material. As someone who does not know the source material, I believe it did fantastic, characters did not feel out of place, events told a complete narrative which worked with some backwards and forwards of them. The anime took full advantage of its medium by incorporating music, freeze frame moments on the screen one might not quite catch the first time that might be too obvious in manga, and a mix of slice of life and horror. That Taromaru was an anime original character, really does not feel like a case, he was woven very much into the events through the anime in a way that felt natural. And again I have to go towards the Megumi was used in this anime, most of us figured out from the hints very early on that something was not right, it became very obvious the further it went, but even up to the reveal it was strong. I am giving this a Masterpiece rating, no matter what other say I think that it was masterfully done, when you can put in so much hidden details like what they did with the opening song, that is special. This show took me by surprise with its first episode and became an instant thing I was looking for. I think that it was "perception", the shifting perception of this show is really something you don't see as played around with by anime as you think it should. Questioning what we are seeing on the screen should be something perfect for a medium which pretty much takes a stylised design of what would be events is, and then dresses it up. I actually watched the first episode like 4 times, and I would really like the chance of a BD when it comes out in English. Moe might not be very big for the English audience, but taking the moe cuteness and throwing it into the zombie horror that is known, I am really interested of opinions of it. I have a few things I am still wondering about. In episode 1, Yuki's classmates wear the same uniform she does (blue), but as we saw in this episode they were actually wearing the same that the other girls wear (green). So why is it that Yuki's uniform looks different? |
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Dessa
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I know source discussions are frowned upon, but can people who know the source at least give us a [spoiler tagged, of course] yes/no answer on IF the manga explains this? I don't wanna know what the explanation is, I just wanna know if it exists or not. |
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louis6578
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I don't think that it would. Keep in mind, the manga is black and white, so it's possible that this was just an artistic choice by the animators. |
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Dessa
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The manga covers show Yuki in the blue uniform and the other girls in the green. So it's not an anime-original creation. |
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FenixFiesta
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spoiler[In the source material, by the end of this current arc Yuri is a shell of the person that she was under a series of additional stressful events, the reason why they have to leave school is because a helicopter crash occurs in place of "zombies hit the generators just because", Yuki doesn't really "learn a lesson" because she is chuunibyouing out and not really disassociating the situation which goes all the way back to making Tarumaru a regular character, Miki actually has a verbal conflict with Yuki which actually makes there relationship a bit closer as it is resolved with understanding. To the point, this adaptation removes some of the essential emotional struggle, death of a character isn't always a necessary plot tool and just as well it means a definitive conclusion of a character which can be a waste of writing when you have an ongoing story.] This anime adaptation was decent but just as well felt harshly "edited for time". |
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Key
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Honestly, FenixFiesta, based on what you describe and what I've read of spoilers, I think the anime made the right decisions on how it adapted things.
As for Taromaru dying despite the vaccine, it could be that it's not as effective on dogs as humans, but also remember that he was likely infected for several hours longer than what Kurumi was. Because of that, I find that fighting off the infection taking a greater physical toll on him to be entirely reasonable. |
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Cam0
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About half-way through I started to gradually lose interest in the show for some reason. This is a case where I acknowledge how good the show was, but it just wasn't clicking with me that well. Overall I liked it, but it wasn't the most enjoyable show of the season for me. Rating it decent.
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Vaisaga
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As I've mentioned before I almost skipped the show, primarily because when I first heard it mentioned it was on a "yuri shows to look forward to" list (turned out there was no yuri but these days people tend to consider any show with primarily female casts as yuri regardless). The poster spoke of it in spoiler tags, though, which made me curious enough to go to Wikipedia and spoil myself.
Thank you, Gakkou Gurashi, for making zombies not boring again. It's not often you see zombie works put so much emphasis on group morale and as a psych major the focus on their mental states is relevant to my interests. The worst of times is when you need to have the most fun. And hey, I actually spent money on some doujinshi of the show. That should say a lot. |
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louis6578
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I feel like the Decent rating was reserved for shows like this. Great concept, lacking execution. On a side note, I'm not complaining that this is different from the manga, but that it's less impactful than it. Shows like Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, FMA 2003, and, in some people's minds, Trigun, show that an anime can have little to do with its source material's arcs while still having an excellent story of its own. Heck, one could argue that Fate/Zero is the ultimate Fate/Stay Night fanfic. Getting back to the positives, this is a fairly entertaining anime on its own. I just don't think it'll be on my top 5 of the year or anything. |
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Key
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I'm curious: In what regard do you feel that the show was "lacking execution?" Its technical merits were actually pretty strong, the musical score was very well-used, characterizations were well-developed, and the story very carefully constructed and maintained its internal logic - better than just about any other series this year, I'd even say. Or is your objection really an "it lacks in execution because it didn't exactly follow the original manga" kind of argument? |
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Cam0
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It may seem like I'm going against my own words here, but still I have to kind of disagree here. There was proper build up for events, yet the events didn't have the kind of impact on me as they had on other people here. I wasn't feeling the great bond between the main cast eventhough I acknowledge that the show put proper effort into developing that bond. Despite the show's efforts, I never grew attaced to Taroumaru, and so for me his death didn't have much emotional weight. I admit the "objective" value of the show, but I never grew as attached to this show as others for reasons that even I can't fully explain. Personal tastes I guess. The cute-girls-doing-cute-things stuff was the only thing that I really criticised the show for. I still don't think they were necessary. I feel like they acted as a hinderance to the story and only slowed the show down. |
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killjoy_the
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You don't need to grow attached to the character that dies for it to have impact. I, in particular, never really cared for Taromaru but Mii really grew on me in the last few episodes, so the impact it had was more about the blow his death delivered to her than the dog dying. But yeah, if you simply don't connect to a character/cast then it's hard to really consider a series very good, at least to me. All down to opinions when it comes to that. |
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