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Halko
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Seeing different views about a show is generally interesting and why i read these kinds of articles but there is a lot of grasping for straws that ends up thrown about. Kino being some kind of transgender hero is so much of a stretch that hanging so much emphasis on it is pretty much a joke. People are using the character and setting as some kind of flagpole to hang their crusade on and its quite frankly annoying. I dont mind hanging flags from tall poles and posts where it suits a flag to be hung but hanging them off every little toothpick and stick across the country that might fit a flag in some way is just too much. Kinos gender in story is never much of an issue in anything. Its a passing nod or surprise from a few characters in the know and glossed back over again generally without any kind of fanfare. Its quite simply not important. As it should be.
Its good that a discussion is happening but at the same time do we really need it happening everywhere? Sometimes a character being a woman or talked to in a gender neutral tone is just that and nothing more. I have nothing against most activism in general but after a while its just grating to see it thrown about and shoved down everyones throats constantly. Im not critiquing anything in particular and i actually quite agree with how this article sees the situation. Its just a shame that it has to be said in such a way or noted because there is a large amount of discussion going on about it and people making it out to be such a large issue or part of her character. Kino is at the core of her character a true outsider with a point of view that is as close to neutral and impartial as you could get so trying to attribute all of this stuff to her is just silly. If she actually existed and had all of this explained to her about how she is such a great role model or whatever im sure she would just reply with a "Oh is that so?" and simply drive off without caring. |
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MarshalBanana
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I loved the way the scene was shot when Kino asks if she can not undergo the surgery. It shows you how small and fragile she is. Though I think the whole thing would worked better with season 1s art direction.
@Halko I'm sort of disturbed by the idea of people calling Kino transgender, since she clearly is not. It makes it come off as creepy fan-fiction. |
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Halko
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This new series does have its moments of really good direction thats for sure. It is a little more heavy handed than the original but thats not necessarily a bad thing overall. In some places its bad like in the first episode where they paint the whole town as a bunch of crazy murderers but all in all i dont mind it. My biggest problem with the new series is the stories themselves. What i loved most about the first series was how it was all very Aesops fables like and presented some really interesting thought problems and ideas. Most of that seems to be kinda lost with the new season. Its much more cut and dry i feel. Both are still very blunt with its presentation but generally the questions put forward in the new season just arent as interesting.
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12skippy21
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An interesting aspect I took from this episode is not what gender Kino is, as it really does not matter, but how one should interact with customs of a foreign country. The 'surgery' is presented over the top (and a child is rarely openly threatened in public) but could easily represent a number of cultural scenarios which exist around the world. Would we take direct action like the previous Kino did, or walk away as it would not be a topic we would understand?
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Kosaka
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I liked the review, but I noticed these two issues.
I don't see how this is Kino's failure, since Kino didn't know or suspect that Sakura was going to die.
After both have fallen on the ground, Hermes says "That's mean. Who on earth would do such a mean thing?". The girl with a flower name stands up, holds a coat, looks down at the coat, looks up a little bit, and sadly says "Kino...", which I took as her thinking about the man who had owned the coat. After several sentences, the newly restored motorrad calls her Kino, thinking she had answered "Who on earth would do such a mean thing?", after a delay, with her name. She's initially surprised that Hermes is calling her Kino, asking "Hey, what did you just call me?" and "Why?". Then she decides to take the name Kino. So her adopting the name Kino was a bit less straightforward. |
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skogga
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One of the laws of Leviticus states back-talking children should be stoned to death, or something like that. "Don't wanna grow up little girl? We can fix that."
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Kougeru
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People are really putting their own desires on Kino. She's no transgender. She's not gender neutral. She simply doesn't care. The difference is huge. Gender neutral or whatever people care what they're identified as. Kino really doesn't care but prefers to be called by name. She knows she's a girl though. The author actually had made reference to it, I thought on an interview on this very site but maybe it was a different site. He very specifically said Kino is a girl. It's a dead debate. She's a girl. Not transgender or anything else. She's just one of the most ideal people in the world in that sense. She doesn't care about her own gender or make any fuss over it. I wish more people were like that. I can understand caring about people's gender for sexual/romantic purposes and things like sports where physical differences give advantages, but for every other reason, gender should not be a factor. People should stop caring about gender.
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killjoy_the
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Wait, this if the first I've heard of this. It always seemed to me like the previous student was the dude at Kind Country selling Persuaders. Is this something you got only from this episode, or from the 2003 version? |
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Megiddo
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It was an alright adaptation. What killed the climax for me was after Kino reached the open land we're greeted with.... an awful looking CGI landscape. Surely the director must have known how important that scene would be since it went from such a muted brown color to the vibrant colors, why not have an actual beautifully drawn background for that scene? It would have had a much greater impact as Kino finally sees the outside world for the very first time.
Also, this is purely a matter of taste, but I preferred Kino's rendition of Pachelbel's Canon from the 2003 version more than the flower song they chose here. |
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Halko
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Budgets will be budgets. Being too pressed to make everything beautiful will just lead to a project going over budget or missing its deadline. It would be great if all anime looked like a Shinkai film but its sadly just not possible. Im just glad they sacrificed the episode with the mini stories quality wise to allow the rest of the show to look at least decent. When that one guys glasses moved before his character did in that episode i was having flashbacks to the 90s and its hilarious editing errors.
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DuskyPredator
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I don't know, I kind of liked the 'aha' moment inputting into context part of the kind country, which worked okay as its own story, but adds even more when you think what that could have meant for Kino.
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Joa
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You're right, the guy who gave Woodsman to Kino was Master's partner. That's why he wanted Kino to have it when he saw that she had Master's Canon. There's also a not so subtle hint in the opening, where you can see Master and her partner's faces reflected in Canon and Woodsman. Not really sure why the reviewer got the impression that Master's partner was old Kino. |
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kucinglaper
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How? Even using 2003 old!Kino, He's still far too young to be Master's partner.. The 2017 old!Kino is around Shizu's age at best, the 2003 Kino is older but definitely not as old as older Master (considering both look about around the same age). Not to mention their hair color and seiyuu don't match. And yes, older version of Partner is the guy who gave Kino, Woodsman. It's much less subtle in anime since the gun has been name dropped few times, and there's the OP. |
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whiskeyii
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In an ideal world, I might agree with you, but since we live in a world where unconventional gender identities raise not just eyebrows but also hackles, I won't argue with anyone who views Kino as having a non-female gender identity. Heck, even Naoko Takeuchi stating that Sailor Uranus is "a girl" doesn't stop people from viewing Uranus as genderfluid, or intersex, or whatever, and nor should it, since Death of the Author is alive and well. Far be it from me to declare that some poor soul starving for representation, and who sees it in Kino, is somehow factually incorrect in their own interpretation; they need that a heck of a lot more than I do. |
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Meongantuk
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But it still doesn't excuse them to freaking out and attacks anyone everytime Kino is potrayed/described remotely feminime. I've even seen someone ranting on a screenshot of blushing Kino and called it OOC. Eventhough the thing that make Kino blush is a freaking crepes and Kino being glutton has been a thing for 17 years. Or people flinging insult at crunchy(I think?) for using she for the story description. Don't get me started on people who were insulting Kuroboshi for drawing Kino sligtly curved (ironically they never say anything to the land of illness character designer's big boobed Kino). There's no need saying things like Kino being female=she's part of the writer's fantasy girlfriend. spoiler[All these made me wish we get Gakuen Kino adaptation too, just to troll people. But alas, it's impossible to pull all the gun porn with small budget.] |
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