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REVIEW: Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie Part 3: Rebellion

But that's all that happened. You haven't explained WHY you and so many other fans go from "She regretted not being with Kyouko more" to the utter non-sequitur "she wants to bang Kyouko".

Chagen46 wrote:

But that's all that happened. You haven't explained WHY you and so many other fans go from "She regretted not being with Kyouko more" to the utter non-sequitur "she wants to bang Kyouko".

It would be nice if you would argue in good faith, for once.

But honestly why ship characters if you don't want to see them consumate the relationship? /y/ and /u/ are NSFW-boards for a reason.

And my point still stands. "I regret not being with you more" != "I love you".

God that scene was pointless.

Interesting, that makes a ton of sense but it's a shame it's wasn't more clear in the movie (or maybe it was, and I was simply too confused to make any sense of what I was seeing).

I like how you are rallying to the defense of Sayaka's straightness, for no other reason than that you are trying to troll yuri fans. Because...I don't know.

Now, I know the mere idea of two girls being together is utterly repulsive to you, so perhaps you should stop caring.

And speaking of outside material clarifying events in the show, can anyone find a link to something that proved Madoka had a "paradise" she brought Magical Girls to? I can't, for the life of me, find it again, but I know it exists somewhere...

Oooooooorrrrr maybe it's because I think Sayaka isn't in love with Kyouko. But of course, it HAS to be trolling yurifans. It's UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE to believe that Sayaka is not in love with Kyouko sincerely.

This is why I hated that scene. It was so short yet here we are arguing about it.

And do you have to add an insult to the end of EVERY SINGLE post you make?

fireaxe wrote:

Interesting, that makes a ton of sense but it's a shame it's wasn't more clear in the movie (or maybe it was, and I was simply too confused to make any sense of what I was seeing).

To be perfectly honest, it wasn't actually that clear in the final version of the original show, and I even mis-translated another interview, leading me and others to believe she always had her bow powers and just never used them, but evidence in the show suggested otherwise (they were talking about how her original character design had her bow from the beginning) and, once I got "The Beginning Story" (the full manuscript for the series, released to the public), I read at the end that Urobuchi put in a note that Homura "gained a bow and arrow" and in parenthesis, "(she loses her time manipulation powers)." So while the show gave us some strong evidence, only the manuscript said it explicitly.
Thus, if you don't know about the side material, I suppose it's not surprising you could misinterpret Homura's ability to use time or not. It's not like the new movie made that necessarily clear, either, considering the thing they did allowed her to use her old powers again, albeit in a fantasy-based world she created herself.

Firstly: when she talked to Homura, she didn't remembered what happened to her in TV series. It can be argued that a human is ultimately the sum of his/her experiences, if you delete some important information from my memory, I won't be this same person and I won't make this same decisions. Theme often times brought up in "Ghost in the shell" - people implanted with false memories were doing things that they wouldn't normally do, they even committed crimes. Same with Madoka - she didn't even remembered her previous life and why she did what she did, ergo she is not Madoka from the end of TV series, she is not this same person! Secondly: if Madoka would really thought that way, then it is yet another betrayal of Original series - from episode three onwards she always talked about how she wants to be useful for others, how it will make her happy etc. This was her purpose in life. Now undoing this seems like a big cop-out and - as I said - it make her character arc in TV series completely mingless. And no, Homura is not right - needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... this is the only thing on which Madoka and Kyubey would agree. They had different methods but they were both utilitarians - right now Akemi is just selfish and short sighted.

But again, that make her character growth in TV series meaningless: she never learned how to live withouth Madoka, she didn't found her inner strength, she never found her purpose in life - even though she had one in the end of TV series. How about her taking care of Kaname family? Her fight to commemorate memory Madoka's memory ended in tragedy, so it was completely meaningless. This: "don't forget someone is fighting for you"... is now completely irrelevant. Does she looks like unhappy person?:
http://avvesione.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/puella_magi_madoka_magica-12-homura-ribbons.jpg

And that mean that her whole character growth happened off screen, and we really don't know why happy Homura from the end of TV series, fall into despair.

And BTW Incubators experimenting on Homura and wanting to control Madokami is a big plot hole, and I don't know why anyone didn't brought it up? Firstly: if they are willing and able to control people, then why even bother to make contracts It's stupid waste of time and effort. I thought that Incubators were logical and practical. Apparently not. Secondly: Kyubey granted Madoka's wish and then he wanted to undo it? Again, what's the point of making a contract if you are not going to respect it? There is no point in granting a wish, when you are just going to undo it. It's highly illogical. Also undoing a wish is a big waste of time and resources, you can as well, don't grant a wish in the first place!

That dosen't change the fact that ideas and messages from The Original show are now thrown into the garbage can. So what was the point of stating them in the first place? And don't worry, those new ideas that you are so excited about, will be also drowned in the toilet in next movie or next season of TV show. So again, what's the point?

Everything I know on the Madoka lore I got it from the Tv series, I never really got into all the side stuff. So yeah it seemed to me like they didn't do a particularly great job to shape that new universe (the real world) in the movie, and that's probably where most of my frustration came stemmed from in the end. But now I really want to watch that movie again, to see if I'll appreciate more now that I have a better understanding of what's actually going on.

I actually think that spoiler[Homura's progression is pretty logical, if she was always intended to be a fallen hero.] But, I don't think that she's beyond saving and I believe the bumper after the credits illustrates the conflict that lies within. I think what makes the story poignant to me is that neither girl necessarily made the wrong decision with their actions (as far as the motivation behind those actions), but their views on how love works puts them at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Well said. This is pretty much how I feel about the movie too; neither of them are pure right or wrong. Homura feels guilty about betraying Madoka and is suffering pretty badly in this new wold. I definitely think she's redeemable.

By the way, when people say stuff like, "But it resets the characters to zero!" in reference to all the universal "resets," I have to disagree. It sets their experiences and background to zero for the audience because we can't gauge everything they've gone through. However, we have a good idea. And by seeing a ton of different contexts for one character, we can see how they grow in different ways as a result of different settings and circumstances, helping us understand them a lot more. I, for one, think the characters of Madoka are a lot more realistic than a lot of characters for other shows because of this.

Juno016 wrote:

By the way, when people say stuff like, "But it resets the characters to zero!" in reference to all the universal "resets," I have to disagree. It sets their experiences and background to zero for the audience because we can't gauge everything they've gone through. However, we have a good idea. And by seeing a ton of different contexts for one character, we can see how they grow in different ways as a result of different settings and circumstances, helping us understand them a lot more. I, for one, think the characters of Madoka are a lot more realistic than a lot of characters for other shows because of this.

Indeed. The core of each character's personality doesn't seem to vary much despite the change in timelines, and most likely their personal histories were more or less unchanged up until the events of the story began (i.e. Sayaka's relationship with ... that guy, Kyoko and Mami's losing their families). It would've been nice to see a well adjusted Homura (who had re-entered society normally).

Still, I don't see the future series re-developing Madoka to where her old development is over-written and pointless so much as simply giving her her old self back at some point. At least, if we are to believe the end of the movie and believe in the future writer(s) for the series...

Personally, I feel like I wrote all there is to Madoka in the TV series, and now I’ve written all there is to Homura in this movie. I feel like I’ve had both of them graduate. Anyway, I think that a school where a god and a devil are in the same class is pretty funny. If people use that to make new stories, I’ll be happy. I want this to be the kind of story where everyone will want to imagine their own sequel.