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Bugnin wrote:

Obviously the dark guilds were all underground and therefor very secretive. And given that the guilds string enough to mount such a war were busy fighting in dungeons trying to clear the game, who was going to police it?

The players? Kirito? Look, with a problem like that, people don't just shut up and take it, is all I'm saying. In a society like that, with those risks, someone would take up the mantle of "Sheriff". Perhaps even multiple people. And you'd have to be very jaded about modern society if you'd think if put in a survive or die situation people would just be in it for themselves and screw everyone else over on purpose. And not do anything about people going around murdering others.

Bright_Spear wrote:

There's zombies about, you really think everyone's going to be calm, collected, and sane?

I'd expect people who are not skilled at firing shotguns/rifles to not attempt to antagonize and blame those who are skilled for the current predicament.

This is a lot of backwards reasoning to try and explain one minor element that was only included to give an explanation for why Kirito is a loner.

You could drop the ENTIRE "Beater" aspect and literally nothing about the plot would change. Its COMPLETELY irrelevant to the story and Kirito's development (such as it is and what there is of it)

not everyone would be in it for themselves. Very few would be. But you'd have no way of knowing who was and who wasn't, and you don't want to train the guy that ends up killing you for whatever reason. Not worth the risk.

Fencedude5609 wrote:

This is a lot of backwards reasoning to try and explain one minor element that was only included to give an explanation for why Kirito is a loner. You could drop the ENTIRE "Beater" aspect and literally nothing about the plot would change. Its COMPLETELY irrelevant to the story and Kirito's development (such as it is and what there is of it)

Yep. Pretty much entirely on the nose.

Bugnin wrote:

not everyone would be in it for themselves. Very few would be. But you'd have no way of knowing who was and who wasn't, and you don't want to train the guy that ends up killing you for whatever reason. Not worth the risk.

You'd actually have a lot of ways of telling. Guilds, logs, asking around and not diving into literally every situation head first. It requires caution, but it can be done. Especially given that the amount of people like that established in that world is very, very small. You'd likely have a significantly higher chance of being killed by actual monsters than another player.

You're asking a random collection of people to form a police force with detectives capable of acting professionally. They can't even raid dungeons correctly, and they actually signed up to do that when they bought the game.

So every single player of the game is completely and factually inept? And they DON'T have enough time to learn even though a lot of time passing in the game was clearly established?

This is a lot of backwards reasoning to try and explain one minor element that was only included to give an explanation for why Kirito is a loner.

You could drop the ENTIRE "Beater" aspect and literally nothing about the plot would change. Its COMPLETELY irrelevant to the story and Kirito's development (such as it is and what there is of it)

Bright_Spear wrote:

The big guilds controlled the best grinding spots, the intelligence they gather, and wanted to recruit the best players so they could get an edge over other people so they could run things.

Who cares? Let them. Means they'll clear the game faster.

Fencedude5609 wrote:

This is a lot of backwards reasoning to try and explain one minor element that was only included to give an explanation for why Kirito is a loner. You could drop the ENTIRE "Beater" aspect and literally nothing about the plot would change. Its COMPLETELY irrelevant to the story and Kirito's development (such as it is and what there is of it)

This is where I strongly disagree. Kirito's selfless act to make up for his early selfishness, taking on the moniker of "beater," makes him isolated to many due to its stigma. He then must cover up this fact later on and it gets his first guild slaughtered. It's not until he meets up with Asuna again that he finally gets over the guilt he carries because of that checkered past with hiding his identity due to the stigma attached to him being a beater. There's no story without him taking on that title and becoming an outcast early on because it is about him overcoming that self branding through meeting Asuna.

Except the "stigma" is never actually shown except in the episode where it is established. It literally has no effect on anything the entire series.

Bugnin wrote:

You're asking a random collection of people to form a police force with detectives capable of acting professionally. They can't even raid dungeons correctly, and they actually signed up to do that when they bought the game.

So every single player of the game who isn't on the front of battle is completely and factually inept? And they DON'T have enough time to learn even though a lot of time passing in the game was clearly established?

Seriously, at this point I think you're just being intentionally overly pessimistic.

Bugnin wrote:

You're asking a random collection of people to form a police force with detectives capable of acting professionally. They can't even raid dungeons correctly, and they actually signed up to do that when they bought the game.

So every single player of the game who isn't on the front of battle is completely and factually inept? And they DON'T have enough time to learn even though a lot of time passing in the game was clearly established?

Seriously, at this point I think you're just being intentionally overly pessimistic.

Adaminator1 wrote:

Bugnin wrote: You're asking a random collection of people to form a police force with detectives capable of acting professionally. They can't even raid dungeons correctly, and they actually signed up to do that when they bought the game. So every single player of the game who isn't on the front of battle is completely and factually inept? And they DON'T have enough time to learn even though a lot of time passing in the game was clearly established? Seriously, at this point I think you're just being intentionally overly pessimistic.

Yes, I'm saying that forming a police force was not going to work, never mind the strongest players (not just Kirito) were too busy raiding dungeons to take on that responsibility.

You already had the "army" abusing their authority to tax the townspeople. Doubtful that there were enough players strong and mature enough to handle such authority.