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Ggultra2764
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With the circumstances taking place, the idea of such a relationship without the two being able to comprehend their actions does seem plausible, especially with the source material you've provided adding more credibility. I can't necessarily agree with Nosaka's take on his own story since I don't exactly see Setsuko and Seita's bond in that way throughout the movie. But, you were able to provide some better support for the idea than what angel_lover provided. So, I'll commend you for that much at least. |
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Mushi-Man
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Although jel123 has provided some evidence to back his claim, I still have to disagree. The quote that jel123 provided is just as open to interpretation as the movie is. If you find themes of incest in the movie or the quote, it's because you look for them. The quote is likely to just mean that because of what the characters have gone through, they are closer. It in no way states that there was, in fact, an actual romantic relationship between the two (at least of that nature).
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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One man's opinion is merely one man's opinion. While I'm sure he has his reasons, he didn't share any of them in that interview, so we are unable to judge the foundations of that view. What's the fallacy? Appeal to misguided authority? Just because he's an excellent director doesn't mean he's also a qualified psychologist. Now, jel's link does provide a little more information, and that provides for support that the theme is there if you look for it. However, as untrustworthy as memory is, I won't be convinced without rewatching the movie (which is unlikely, as I had borrowed it from a friend, and he's living in New Orleans now). The thing is, I think, that if you start a statement with a phrase like "I think a lot of people will be surprised..." you may want to explain the situation. People tend to react defensively when their opinions are challenged, especially if they recognized it being done with weak logic. |
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RHachicho
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Woah clearly a touchy subject. What do I feel about it though? Not really bothered. Incestuous fantasies are just a result of peoples hormones going out of control or getting obsessed with doing something forbidden. It's certainly awful when it happens in rl but a fantasy is a fantasy. And don't tell me it might encourage real incest because if that's so we can strip all the violence out of Anime because it might encourage real murder. Animaton is unfortunately the natural vent for the more sickening sexual perversions because it's not real. No one really get's hurt when something is simply animated. And as anime has a history of well .. hot women it was perhaps inevitable that hentai the pornography version of Anime would become the venting ground for such things.
Incest isn't really one of my "kinks" but I will freely admit i have a couple that I wouldn't discuss with anyone else. I think people have a natural desire to do what is forbidden to them. Or things they perceive as being "naughty" or even "taboo". As long as this stays in the realm of fantasy it dousn't really hurt anyone and I think for 90% of people it does. You can't blame stuff like this for a weak mind that gives in to it's basest most animalistic desires. So I say if people like that sort of thing .. let em. As long as they understand the difference between fantasy and reality. And educating young uns about that is the responsibility of parents and not the media. Well that's my 2c anyway. |
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Spastic Minnow
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If you look up "incest" with the genre search tool here (and don't include hentai) there really aren't many shows that have it down as a theme here. And they're split between actual ecchi shows that glorify it in some way and those that use it as a dramatic plot point.
However if you do include the Aki Sora OVAs (although these are close to hentai) and the upcoming Oniichan no Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Janain Dakara ne series with the Kissxsis series (and OVA) sister/brother complex ecchi stories definitely seem to be trending a bit more than previously. I don't see it continuing much further though, the problem I see isn't how absolutely Skeevy they are (smut can sell) it's simply that the stories aren't proving to be very good or consistently funny. |
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Syntelle
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UHHH... 
Yeah, in a way, it does bother me...I can accept homosexual relationships and such in anime/manga(even though I'm not into it at all) but incest just doesn't seem right to me. |
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Rukiia
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I don't approve of actual incest that happens in real life. It is none of my business what other people do/like but I personally think its wrong. If your using it as a sexual fantasy that doesn't harm anyone then, sure, whatever turns you on? Roleplaying is all good in my books.
I admit I have a guilty pleasure of liking some of it in anime (and I don't mean Hentai series). For example, when the Hitachin twins from Ouran High School Host Club would do their forbidden brotherly love fanservice for their guests I can't help but go "Damn, thats hawt. ". And I'm sure most Hitachin twins fangirls would agree with me as it was intended to drive the girls wild. Its just like some guys would have fantasies of watching or getting it on with two hot girls who are twins/sisters, or vice versa.
So as long as it is not involving real siblings/fathers/mothers/etc then I have no problem watching it in anime. Its not real so no harm is being done. Last edited by Rukiia on Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ShinobiX
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uh 1 word:
disgusting -_- |
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Hiro94
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Speaking of incest does anybody know if Wolf ogami's super Taboo Manga has an Anime adaptation?
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poilk92
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You see Japan was nuked... twice
when you get nuked not only is your nationalistic culture completely destroyed but you are also flooded with radiation not to mention the general mental trauma of well... being nuked all of this together forced japan to create a new culture one in which bears playing ping pong while naked Japanese girls get licked by puppies seems like perfectly reasonable day time TV. In such a society is incest really that out there? In summation japoneez people are just plain crazy thats all there is to it |
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ailblentyn
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I have to say I'm in the undecided camp when it comes to incest in Grave of the Fireflies. I don't see evidence for it as a major underlying theme, or any evidence that we are supposed to understand that Seita actually has abused Setsuko. But when I watch the "Get off me" scene, I do feel a sort of shiver. I think Seita does just want comfort, but the children are so alone, unprotected from the world and also from themselves the way they should be, that maybe the suggestion of the possibility of incest is there as one of the dangers around them. Dangers they shouldn't have to be dealing with.
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Unicorn_Blade
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I also dont see any evidence of incest in Grave of the Fireflies. First of all, I think a lot of people nowadays see a lot of things in places where they dont exist, for example homosexual undertones in Winnie the Pooh. I mean, people see what they want to see. Also, someone above mentioned Seita beeing a young teenage boy and his buzzing hormones, etc etc, and I wonder why people try to apply their own problems to others (or in this case, animated characters). Is it so hard to understand that people in extreme situation can think of other things rather than sex, specially when they are starving and fighting for survival? Not ever teenager wants to sleep with his sister, there really ARE other things people have on their minds. Well, at least some of them.
I wanted to comment on that but then I am so puzzled, and then I thought you might not be serious. If you actually are serious, all I can say is that there is a bit more to Japan than you obviously understand; what they show on the TV, and it certainly is a bit more complicated. [and certainly one could argue that what is shown f.ex. on the amercian TV is far, far weirder= offtop]. I am personally not bothered when it comes to animated incest. It is a theme that comes up in history and literature and films from all over the world, not only Japan, and by no means I think it should be a taboo, although it might be unconfortable to watch it. I might not be right, but it is a part of the world we live in among some other things that are not so right as well... |
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poilk92
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first pro incest argument i have ever seen. I thought in the modern era we were all pretty much against incest. I know your not actually advocating the act but even condoning it as if its a normal natural thing seems gross. I can't even imagine what makes you think it shouldn't be taboo in all but the strangest cases in literature films and history it is taboo and seen as wrong and gross because as a species thats the conclusion we have come to, just like rape and murder will be "taboo" forever which doesn't mean we can't or won't see it or talk about it but just that we will always be uncomfortable with its existence. I have no idea what context you are thinking of in which incest is ok and not taboo, please share |
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Unicorn_Blade
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First of all, I am not saying that I am pro incest- please read carefully before you respond, because I dont think you understood what I have actually said. You seem to miss my point completely... What I DID say is that it is a theme that comes up every once and so often- in real life starting from the beginning of humankind and therefore is reflected in different forms of art. fact, you cant deny it, unless you live on a fluffy pink cloud in a different dimension. I think I said it, and I will spell it out for you again because you seemed not to have noticed, the fact that I dont mind it portrayed in anime etc, does not mean I am not judging people who are participating in it. Just like I can watch a film about a murderer, and still think that what he did was wrong. However, I might still think the film was good, it is as simple as that. It might not be right, and it miht be gross, but so is murder or other sorts of crime- does that mean we should ban all films about all illegal things that happen in the world? If there are films about genocide, sexual deviations, serial killing, etc, incest, which is a parf of the world we live in, should be included as well. It does not make me like it or accept it, or advocate for it, but if we marginalise it, it wont stop the actual thing from happening- it is actually more harmful to completely avoid the subject and pretend it does not happen. And it is by far more complex phenomena that you try say it is. But after your comment on Japanese culture I seriously doubt if you realise how complex... |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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While I do not advocate incest, nor deny that it is a taboo, Poilk, why do you so simply accept that it must be one? Rape and murder are obviously taboo because they have victims (although I'm not entirely sure that's the right language). For incest, the only thing I can think of is the genetic consequences, but that requires either several generations or a pre-existing condition before it seriously affects offspring. A closer parallel would seem to be inter-racial marriage/relationship, which were taboo (and often illegal) until just a couple decades ago.
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