Forum - View topicAntagonists you found yourself rooting for?
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dtm42
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Light isn't an antagonist.
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getchman
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Snake of the Festival, or what ever his title is in Shakugan No Shana Final
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Polycell
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Keonyn
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Why's that? I mean, good pick and all, but may want to elaborate a little instead of just listing. |
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timiman
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Well first of all, if you define antagonist as a person who is against the "law" then I'd say Light Yagami (Death Note) and Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)...
BUT if you consider antagonists as the ones who are against the main character(s) then I'd say Vegeta (DBZ) and, umm, well I'd say Aizen from Bleach, even though I like Ichigo I still believe Aizen to be more badass and cool. He was always the strongest and he could've taken down anyone, but in the end (his final fight against Ichigo) he kinda lost those cool points of his and I permanently sided with Ichigo. Oh yes, I'd also add Broly from DBZ, with a similar reasoning as Aizen except Broly stayed the badass he was till the very end. |
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getchman
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i dont know, he just didn't seem as evil as everyone made him out to be |
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DavidShallcross
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In the beginning of Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, Grandis was an antagonist that I rooted for. For one thing, she had some scruples. Then spoiler happened.
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HyugaHinata
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I enjoyed the antics of Lobelia Academy in Ouran High School Host Club.
spoiler[Tamaki really needed to be put in his place. He continually exploited Haruhi for his own and the club's benefit. I enjoyed watching him quiver with the thought of losing his new toy/love interest.] |
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Kelly
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@HyugaHinata, regarding Ouran
spoiler[I thought the whole point of Ouran is that all off the hosts willingly exploited shoujo tropes, and didn't do anything regarding Haruhi that they weren't doing themselves. Haruhi herself always let them know when they went too far. While they never let Haruhi off the hook about the vase, they were also very protective of her and slammed anyone who tried to mess with her even very early on. By the point of the story you're referring to, I thought it was pretty obvious that they weren't worried about never recouping the loss, but about losing Haruhi herself.] As for the thread question, I'd say Lady Eboshi in Princess Mononoke springs to mind. We don't want the forest and it's denizens destroyed, but we also don't want the ex-prostitutes and lepers dying caught between the forest and mainstream civilization with nowhere to go. The whole point of the movie is that San and Eboshi's views are equally valid. I think Miyazaki found an excellent balance between environmentalism and sympathy for people doing damage not out of callousness or greed, but because it's literally the only way for them to live. |
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HyugaHinata
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I see what you're getting at, but to me at least, spoiler[it seemed that they were indulging in a good deal of Schadenfreude regarding her predicament. If they did lose Haruhi, they'd lose their favourite new "toy".] |
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Mad_Scientist
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You can add him to the antagonists I found myself rooting for as well, so perhaps I can add my own reasons. As I see it, there are usually two main reasons to root for an antagonist. One reason is that oftentimes the antagonists are just plain cool. I think a great example of this is Ladd Russo from Baccano!, or he would be if not for the fact that Baccano! doesn't really have a typical protagonist/antagonist structure. Ladd Russo is horrible, with practically no redeeming traits whatsoever, but he's just so fun to watch that it's hard not to cheer him on. (It helps that most of the time he's fighting people just as bad as himself). Well, the Snake of the Festival has that "coolness" part down perfectly. He's got a great visual design, or more precisely his spoiler[human vessel Yuji has a great design], as I wasn't a huge fan some of the CG used on the actual snake body itself. Still, at least that looked imposing in some scenes. He's got a nice voice, with Sho Hayami (Aizen's voice actor) giving him a deep, regal presence. He gives cool speeches and has got a totally awesome theme song. There's also a certain weight to everything he does. Lot's of villains/antagonists claim to be gods, but the Snake of the Festival is a god, and when he declares "I am divine, beyond your comprehension" to his followers, you don't view it as arrogance, because it's not. It's the truth. All of these are of course superficial reasons to root for a character, though. If these were the only things he had going for him, it would be hard to truly root for him in the long run, not unless you hated all the protagonists or simply didn't care about the story. Fortunately, the Snake of the Festival also qualifies for the second main reason people usually root for an antagonist, and that is because he's not a clear villain. spoiler[His goals are all noble, and even his direct methods aren't bad. Not a single person had to die for him to create Xanadu. The only reason he fought against the Flame Hazes was because he was certain they would try to stop him as the result of misconceptions or because of hatred/prejudice... which is exactly what happened 3,000 years ago, when he tried to do things peacefully. Now, you can rightfully point out most of the modern Flame Hazes are completely different people and were not necessarily going to respond the same way. But you can at least sort of understand why, after spending 3,000 years in the abyss cause he tried to do things nicely, the Snake of the Festival decided to engage in preemptive war with the Flame Hazes the second time around.] spoiler[And there's yet another reason for rooting for him: the only hope of anything resembling a happy ending comes from his success. While his plan wasn't perfect, nor would it solve every future issue (and indeed, he changes it slightly near the end, because the Denizens, desiring to be with humans, actually want the Flame Haze's additional rule), it still at every stage represented the best hope of fixing the messed up state of the world. His complete defeat would simply result in a return to status-qua, except now Yuji would have earned the ire of everyone he ever knew, all for nothing.] spoiler[Denizens would still be stuck in the the apparently quite hellish crimson would, except for those who chose to go to the human would and devour humans. Humans would still be being continually wiped from existence as result, and Flame Hazes would still be fighting a constant battle until the inevitably die and disappear from existence. This war would continue on for all eternity, or until some Denizens finally manage to create a distortion so big it wipes out reality.] spoiler[That's why, in order for a happy ending to occur, the Snake of the Festival has to win, at least partially. He has to prove the Flame Hazes wrong and show them that his plan work.] |
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