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vashfanatic
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Um, I'm sorry, but could you please even give a nice long list of recently-licensed yuri titles? I seem to have missed them, but they must be legion for you to have noticed a "pattern." I'm sorry, but we get so little, and so much of it is trashy stuff usually aimed at guys. You're basically saying, "buy titles you don't want to encourage licensing," but if we buy them, then they will license more of that - not works like Octave. Believe me, there is a very long list of titles I would like, and one or two of them have made it over here but they can be damn hard to find. As I'm coming into a little more money here, I'm going to start hunting them down, but don't kid yourself that we have tons of options as you yaoi fans do. |
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outlaw55
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I think the idea of this was to NOT make the same mistake Erin did in shelf life... |
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RestLessone
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I'm also a straight female interested in GL/yuri works. The selection is small even in Japan, Once you get rid of the porn and the "See, every girl crushes on another girl, but you're not a lesbian or bisexual. You'll end up with a guy anyway, and maybe still hold feelings for your past girlfriend. But you're not a lesbian." there really isn't that much...I've heard of Octave and am interested in it. I wish it would come over. The real difference, I think, between GL and BL here is that BL stuff usually isn't...Well, so much of it is one volume with a selection of short stories and filled with sexual content. In the grand scheme of things, I really don't think we get heart-felt series with a sense of realism. When I say I want GL, I don't mean the straight-out pandering stuff. I want a good romance. I usually don't read romance in the first place, so the "romances" that take place within one or two chapters hold no appeal to me. I'm really not all that aware of GL published here. I know there is The Last Uniform, which was never completed. But even that got lukewarm reviews. |
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Nemo_N
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Are people still trying to portray their own moral guidelines regarding fiction as universal, objective laws?
Hey, guys; whatever "line" you think a work of fiction crosses is your own. Don't try to make it everybody else's. |
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LemonCookies
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Who's the judge of what's "polite and reasonable?" You? I don't think comments like the one I quoted are "polite" or "reasonable." So why can that person say it, but not me? And you have the gall to bring up free speech! Oh, and "out of line, kid?" You're not exactly the most polite person either. But go ahead and call me "kid" again, as I can see it must give you great pleasure. Last edited by LemonCookies on Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3491 Location: Back stateside |
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There are a couple of more adult works out there that I have some interest in, like Blue and Skim (and I know, the latter is maybe not "true" manga by some definitions), and in terms of GLBTQ issues, I am getting Wandering Son as soon as it comes out, I read some of it online and really liked it - and buying that might get us Aoi Hana, which might open up some of the more "we take sexuality seriously" yuri series that are available. Or at least, that's the hope I'm clinging to. But yes, for those who don't know, yuri falls into three big categories: 1) schoolgirl lesbians, intended to just be BFFs with some subtext or to "grow out of it" or to appeal to men with schoolgirl uniforms; admittedly, it can sometimes be very sweet (see Maria Watches Over Us). 2) pornography/erotica/smut (whatever floats your boat, I suppose) 3) the occasional series that actually treats sexuality seriously, in whatever setting, sometimes among teenagers (see Aoi Hana) or as adults (see a lot of stuff you've never heard of). Buying (1) and (2) does not guarantee (3) is ever released, and so far very little (3) has been released so as to encourage its release, a total Catch-22. Like I said, I hope Wandering Son creates an opening. |
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Hardgear
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You aint the only one. I have noticed this with homophobia all the time. The most homophobic people I know are also the most inclined to do very non-hetero things when drunk. Then they fly into a rage and threaten anyone who points that out with violence. Then there are of course examples like Ted Haggard.... |
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RestLessone
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I'm also going to be getting Wandering Son. I haven't sampled it, but the premise is so interesting and not something you usually see on the market. I'll check out Blue (is it the one that's out of print?). Along with Octave, Aoi Hana seems to be one of the recommended GL series. Needless to say, if it were brought over, I'd check it out as well. Your assessment on the yuri categories is fairly accurate. I personally don't feel the need to buy 1 or 2. I have no interest in 2 and wouldn't even read it. I would rather spend on series I enjoy. As for 1...Unless they fall into the stereotypical tropes or are aimed at older males, they start off well enough and can be fairly convincing. But by the end, I question the point and general themes and messages. It's more upsetting to see lesbianism/bisexuality/etc. treated as a phase. Thing is, 1 and 2 appeal to a specific group and often don't contain material about the relationship or acceptance or anything. A lot of people interested in the them aren't going to go for 3, and that's what publishes are going to look at--not that anyone can really blame them. Hopefully Wandering Son does well. |
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fmagrave
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@LemonCookies: Rage some more. It's actually quite amusing.
Oh, you mean that one Minori visual novel? I would argue that it's ultimately an independent work of Gunslinger Girl and should not reflect so much on GSG. Yu Aida may have had sexual elements in his previous work, but does that really mean Gunslinger Girl itself has it? I believe the work itself should speak for itself outside the context of the creator and his/her past works. |
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abunai
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Yes, in fact I am. I'm a forum moderator, and that is what I am here to do -- to tell you where the line is drawn between polite and not-polite, and to enforce that. To which end, you are now on moderation. Any further posts you make will end up in a separate queue, where they will await a moderator's approval. You will remain on moderation until you've proven that you don't need to be on moderation -- the usual way is by making a lot of reasonable and polite posts, which are passed by moderators, until we decide that you can be let off. It's the forum equivalent of a mild reprimand, because you can still post. Just not without supervision. - abunai |
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purplepolecat
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I think it's partly this, and partly the fact that in the Western world, all adult males are viewed as potential pedos. If you see a little girl fall down and skin her knee, you DON'T go and help her up. Someone mentions anime that has even the suggestion of loli ? Condemn, condemn, condemn, before they suspect ! Although I liked Brian's answer, I can't agree with it. If there's a legitimate reason to vilify loli (e.g. "it damages society"), then this should apply whether or not there is "artistic merit". If there's no real reason, then the appropriate response to artless loli should be a resounding "meh." |
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Anymouse
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It is possible to disagree with parts of a work while still respecting the great bulk of it. The depiction of human sadness and alienation in Gunslinger Girl can outway the elements that might be considered suggestive. I myself am a Roman Catholic, but I enjoy and respect works by secularist authors like H.G. Wells and Isaac Asimov. Their understanding of social problems and their criticism of excessiveley optomistic and ignorant points of view justifys their works.
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Megiddo
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Yes, the very same visual novel that had Makoto Shinkai do the intro animation for it. Yet I find it hilarious that I never see anybody question Shinkai's works despite being tied to that same game. |
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Mohawk52
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If it wasn't for me "surfing the TV channels" I would not be here, anime would still be an unknown word, and "Warrior of the wind" a still distant memory. You young'uns take for granted computers and such, but here in the UK there still to this present day 60% of the population who do not even own a computer and wouldn't know how to operate it if they did without taking formal courses, and I'd be willing to wager other countries are very much the same, including the US. So to naturally presume that because you have a computer the rest of the population must as well is very naive. TV broadcasting knows the times they are a change'en, but not just yet as only until the older generations who know nothing about computing, let alone the internet, dies out and more and more babies are raised with them in their lives, will this change. The concept behind GiTS might just prove to be the reality of the future.
I'll have to rewatch Gunslinger Girl again because at no time did I feel I was being shown lolicom in anyway, and I'm very sensitive to these things as my reputation here will reveal, and is the reason I'm not that fussed about seeing the second season. spoiler[Sure it was a bit disturbing that these broken and damaged young girls were basically being manipulated and manufactured to be used as tools and basically treated as such as well,] but as disturbing as that alone might be, in no way was I being nudged into feeling "does this not turn you on?" Why should it? 
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Moonsaber
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I took that as a sort of disguise. Honestly, the head games that are played with the characters in there make you a little sick at times, which I guess is what they are after. I think a lot of what is done in that series is done for an emotional impact. |
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