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SnowfairyX
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How does that South Park quote have anything to do with "virtual child porn"? You can't have intercourse with a character that doesn't exist. I lean conservative and like South Park by the way. I'm not in favor of banning "virtual child porn" or "lolicon" because it is not real and is fictional. You think that this material creates pedophiles or encourages illegal sexual behaviour, so then a violent movie such as, The Punisher, will cause somebody to become a vigilante, right? I'm sure that there were a lot more criminals in the past than there are now, even though violent movies and "virtual child porn" did not exist back then. There are people who would love to ban a show like South Park, but it isn't going to happen unless freedom of speech is banned. I have viewed a lot of offensive and disgusting material in the form of drawings over the years, but I would not want them banned. I just wouldn't look at them anymore or give my financial support. |
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Red Coat
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You right peole now a days can't take the blame for anything they know it's wrong but if they can find an exsuce to get out of it they will, I also have to agree with you about the drawing part, of your coment also in anime they always make the teen girls looks as though they are in there early 20's
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darkinusgurl
Posts: 23 Location: I live in Florida City,Florida |
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I really don't know what to say about that. Parents everywhere are stupid. If they don't want their children to watch anime porn then enforce the damn rule!!! As for the adults who watch it how stupid are they gonna be to act it out?! Keep it to yourselves people! We don't wanna know you like watching anime porn. That's too much info!! As for the jack-ass who acted out that hentei dream of his must've been either really mental or really stupid.
 Bastard was sick in the head and NEEDS TO GET A F@#^?*& LIFE!! 
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Yet another pleasing and interesting topic, time to get to work *cracks knuckles*
First and formost, It's good to see some progress on such an issue, they have the right idea in that they should try to take care of something causing negative influence as far as they reguard it. Secondly, aside from the fact that no abuse is actually carried out in itself (which is good) and that it is someone else's mental work, the fact that it is just anime doesn't change the impact it can have! Real or not it exists and has influence. Third, freedoms, freedom is definetly key to life, keep in mind though that if we actually had all the freedoms we want that it would lead to chaos, thats why we have government, to make sure those freedoms are used as the government or thankfully now a days the people see fit, usually in what we consider a healthy manor, remember that it's not necessarily whats right or wrong here but what we collectively will say "we don't want you to do this for these reasons" or "we will allow you to do this" so what it will come down to is if we think we should sacrifice the "freedom" at issue here for the individual because of what we collectively can reach agreement on, just remember that it in end it's up to them or in this case the people themselves to decide. Fourth, cause and effect. Weither or not the anime had everything, nothing, or somewhere inbetween these two in influencing this is what matters. They may not be right about how much effect it has but if they can be sure enough for them to agree, it would be good lessen its effect as best as possible. It's good to see this progress for sure. Anime may not be real but it has a real impact, dont' forget it, reality is defined by the individual's perspective which means yes it can affect people in ways we might not want it to so it's good that they want to take this into consideration. Althought freedom is definetly good and essential to life, like I said it's up to them to agree if they think they should limit it in one way or the other. I personally don't know the best way for them to deal with it, the way they proposed does sound like a good one to start with though. I do think that it is a good idea for them to try and limit something like this within the kind of impact it has as they can best see fit. |
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Mohawk52
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king_micah
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Missed the point. It's not that it offends my view point. It's that it's wrong. Absolutely. In the context of my quote, it comes directly after a long rambling speech supporting pedophiliacs in the context of relative morals and consent. There is also such a difference between literature and wanker material. I'm fully supportive of pedo wanker materials being banned as their only value is to further legitimize loli fetishes. It's not up to me to define it, so get off that track, and get off slippery slope. It's a logical fallacy that does nothing to refute my argument directly. The biggest issue here I wanna make clear, Supporters of the lolicom manga are mostly coming out as a freedom of speech. Those of us against it are folks who believe the danger of it outweighs societal benefits and thus it should be banned. We feel it's dangerous as it legitimizes especially heinous crimes, as well as it gives support to a particularly screwed up social group to indulge in their sickness rather than seek professional help. |
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king_micah
Posts: 994 Location: OSU |
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Missed the point, this isnt about kids watching animated porn. This is about making animated porn of kids. And whether or not it constitutes enough of a threat to society at large to be outlawed. Many of use believe it to be so, as we feel the only thing it does it helps an internal legitimization of their sickness. And the dude who did this now gets to be in nice dark hole for many, many years. |
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ShellBullet
 Posts: 1051 Location: I hit things, with my fist. |
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You ever notice that in internet debates most everone walks away thinking they "totally one that debate" no matter what side they were on or what they were saying. Just an interesting social phenomenon.
Another good example. Do you realize that it is illegal in Germany to deny the halacaust? Modern day Germany does not tolerate pro-Nazi sentiments; a limitation of free speech for sure, yet a neccassary one given the historical atrocities brought about by Nazi ideology. I suppose some people would argue that the ideal of "free speech" is more important than averting the horrors of a neo-Nazi Germany by not allowing such garbage to be promulgated in the public sqaure. But that is not the world we live in, we live in a world of contingency, where ideas have consequences. And yes, there is something very, very wrong in this world. If everyone was universally moral and considerate of others there would be no need for any sort of limitations on speech or ideas, if only that were the case!
Hurling epithets at the attacker after the fact will not bring back a dead girl, and does nothing to prevent the crime from happening again elsewhere with some new little girl and some other "bastard." Yes, men who act out what they see in lolicon hentai are incredibly stupid and mentally unstable, so the questions remians, why should they have access to material that is designed to feed their sickness? |
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mangajunky
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Unfortunately there is an awful lot to fear when it comes to discussions about freedom of expression. When anyone starts saying that one is okay and another isn't we're all in danger of censorship rearing its ugly head. I'm in the USA, true, but many other people on this board are also in the USA and they're advocating censorship and so this needs to be addressed. -Franky |
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king_micah
Posts: 994 Location: OSU |
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See, issue here is you are making this a freedom of speech issue, while we are saying underneath this very narrow grounds, societal interests are best served by a restriction, like not being able to yell fire in a crowded theater or sell virtual child porn in the US as they are a far greater danger to person. Censorship does exist and is not always wrong, but it's up to level headed folks to insure that it doesn't go too far. Restrictions on access to certain texts are standard in my university. We have a pharmacy program, a chemical engineering program and a Nuclear program. The Nuclear work has certain books detailing certain sequences hidden, and restricted. The Pharma books have certain books detailing manufacturing of narcotics under lock and key. While there are a number of chemical engineering text I have that I watch like a hawk because they detail the manufacturing and use of high explosives. It's not just that they books have knowledge that's dangerous, it's that's far more dangerous to the reader and his neighbors than society. Backyard smokeless propellent for model rockets and brass rounds are particular watched. Do you know how many accidents happen a year due to fools who have little training? That said, there is of course a difference between Yaoi, Yuri, Shakespear many other works of literature and Lolicom mangas. While you might find my trashy scifi in poor taste, and I cringe at Yaoi, they are not Child Porn used as an aide for some very sick people to get off on, and used to internally legitimize especially heinous behavior. |
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mangajunky
Company Representative
Posts: 72 Location: New York City |
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Understood. However many would find the relationships in Yaoi books to be quite distasteful. (Level C for example has a mature High School student in a relationship with an older man) There are plenty of films that depict the sexuality of teens like Fast Times at Ridgemont High and most versions of Romeo and Juliette. All of these could end up under the umbrella of showing minors as sexual beings. I think that even if we don't like a particular piece of art, as long as no one was hurt in its creation we have to allow it to be made and distributed. The best way to stop them from being made is not to buy them. It's not the government's job to decide for us. -Franky |
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chicogrande
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That may be the case in the US, but who wants to be associated with it? I for one believe the Japanese government should clamp down on it and eliminate it. Japanese animation can still include erotic material, but I am sick and tired, for example, of the objectifying of young women as sex objects as sometimes depicted by the use of animated girls in Japanese school uniforms. |
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mangajunky
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Don't buy it...bottom line. Someone could assume from your broad statement that anything that shows a girl in a sailor suit is sexualizing them. Be careful where you tread here otherwise all you fans of Love Hina and Sailor Moon may find them being banned. Even Evangelion shows fan service scenes of its characters and most of them are 14 years old. -Franky |
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GreatGlistener
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Oh darn, I hope this law doesen't get through. I love lolicon hentai.
I don't find it any more sick and disgusting than regular hentai like everyone else here does. If this is banned, then anything that depicts an illegal activity should also be banned. Who's to say that murder in some random movie won't drive someone to murder just as soon as lolicon hentai would make someone want to rape a little girl? |
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mistress_reebi
Posts: 735 Location: Canada |
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We do need limitations on freedom of speech, it will take away the rights of others. From an anthrological point of view, reading loli-con and watching child pornography will influence one to become involoved in pedophillia. It's not surprizing when one sees that 50% of anime is in a way child pornography, since that shows that their culture is promoting it then obviously one is going to take part in pedophillia. Also pedophilla is biological if you're thinking about S Freud's theory. Pedophillia is disturbing, glad he is in prison, people need to be taught that it is wrong, its a shame that our culture promotes pedophillia Last edited by mistress_reebi on Wed May 18, 2005 5:39 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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