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NEWS: Kickstarter Asks Grisaia Project to Remove Hugging Pillow Rewards


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_Cyphon_



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:56 pm Reply with quote
simona.com wrote:
everyone should be free to hug his waifu. kickstarter goes against humans rights.

I know this whole waifu thing is a joke among otakus, but I really don't see a justification for self-proclaiming a beautiful girl as your wife and saying doing whatever to them is ok. I know all you're talking about is hugging, but everyone should know that that is not the only thing that happens to these "waifu" pillows. Quite frankly, I think its disrespectful to the characters to be treated as this.
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nemuyoake





PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:03 am Reply with quote
These characters are not real people, thus it can't be disrespectful to them. Except if you're an animist. Not sure though, because characters are not "natural"...
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:19 am Reply with quote
_Cyphon_ wrote:
simona.com wrote:

everyone should be free to hug his waifu. kickstarter goes against humans rights.

I know this whole waifu thing is a joke among otakus, but I really don't see a justification for self-proclaiming a beautiful girl as your wife and saying doing whatever to them is ok. I know all you're talking about is hugging, but everyone should know that that is not the only thing that happens to these "waifu" pillows. Quite frankly, I think its disrespectful to the characters to be treated as this.


Her name is mud. Smile

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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:22 pm Reply with quote
...Aaand ~$65 000 are gone, along with most higher tiers.

Dammit, Kickstarter... Sad
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Hameyadea



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:26 pm Reply with quote
KickStarter be protectin' them innocent 2D girls from being hugged by disgusting VN-lovers everywhere.
They are, truly, the Guardians of Justice and Moe...
Mad
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gt123



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:26 pm Reply with quote
Blanchimont wrote:
...Aaand ~$65 000 are gone, along with most higher tiers.

Dammit, Kickstarter... Sad


Couple tweets from the leader of Sekai Project

E-mail response to their appeal
https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/547151988358537217

Sekai Project will be taking their stuff elsewhere going forward
https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/547152680557092865
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:31 pm Reply with quote
Sekai Project lost the appeal? Oh, man, if that's the case, the folks that pledged for the dakimakura are really going to feel serious regret knowing that all that money they've donated may have gone to waste. Sad
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Yttrbio



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:41 pm Reply with quote
They haven't donated any money. With Kickstarter, the pledges don't get paid until the end of the period (and only if it hits its target). So their pledges were just cancelled.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:52 pm Reply with quote
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Ah, right, I forgot about that; thanks for the reminder. At least the backers can take solace in that Kickstarter's rash decision didn't hurt them financially.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:13 pm Reply with quote
Fedora-san wrote:
Though from what I hear, other sites like Indiegogo and Patreon have lesser restrictions.


Unfortunate timing, as Patreon just updated their TOS the other day that allows them to shut down Patreons based on vague obscenity laws. Admittedly, this was mainly an anti-GamerGate move to shut down one Patreon, but it's opened the door for the potential removal of others, which is why some pornographic artists who use Patreons are now starting to look into optional funding options as a backup just in case the Patreon team uses their discretion to eliminate other Patreons they do not like.

It really is amazing there seems to be no real American platform for this kind of thing. You have a lot of distribution and creation services for hentai and adult content in Japan, from digital sale sites like DLsite to Toranoana and Comiket to distribute physical doujinshi and goods. I am surprised no one's stepped up to capitalize on the hugely potential market, though I suppose the public backlash and legal ramifications deter people from trying. All it takes is the wrong person to start up the "underage anime girls = child pornography" argument.

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shiranehito



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:37 pm Reply with quote
Honestly, in my humblest opinion I think porn is a form of art, yet it is treated so badly like taboo (maybe religions contribute a lot on this) so if Patreon is against porn artists, I suggest them to make a platform specially for that.

If this was Renaissance era, would people ask Michelangelo to take down his paintings because it contains nudity?
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:42 am Reply with quote
Well, these are private businesses, so they can do whatever they can - just like Japanese companies can ignore foreign governments, these private companies can ignore Japanophiles.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:15 am Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Well, these are private businesses, so they can do whatever they can - just like Japanese companies can ignore foreign governments, these private companies can ignore Japanophiles.


Anime fans are least likely to be affected by this considering all this kind of work is done in Japan. It's only American creators who may want to try to break into this field that will get burned by these puritan laws. These kinds of laws are why the western industry is non-existant.

-Stuart Smith
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leafy sea dragon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:47 am Reply with quote
shiranehito wrote:
If this was Renaissance era, would people ask Michelangelo to take down his paintings because it contains nudity?


Wasn't there a controversy in the late 80's over Michelangelo's David being nude? An early episode of The Simpsons lampooned it.
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configspace



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:17 am Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
Fedora-san wrote:
Though from what I hear, other sites like Indiegogo and Patreon have lesser restrictions.


Unfortunate timing, as Patreon just updated their TOS the other day that allows them to shut down Patreons based on vague obscenity laws. Admittedly, this was mainly an anti-GamerGate move to shut down one Patreon, but it's opened the door for the potential removal of others, which is why some pornographic artists who use Patreons are now starting to look into optional funding options as a backup just in case the Patreon team uses their discretion to eliminate other Patreons they do not like.

I saw they just updated the guidelines, although their TOS hasn't change. Yet another unclear, unspecified distinction between NSFW erotica and porn. I wonder what will happen to all the nsfw projects on Patreon.

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It really is amazing there seems to be no real American platform for this kind of thing.

There is! See: http://offbeatr.com/

enurtsol wrote:
Well, these are private businesses, so they can do whatever they can - just like Japanese companies can ignore foreign governments, these private companies can ignore Japanophiles.

It's not just Japanophiles. They can do what they want, but most would want to service anyone if they could get away with it. Most actions result from being coerced via legal threats. If there were absolutely no legal threat, that no matter any popular or mainstream outrage, if nothing could be done about and if we had real financial privacy, then people would absolutely conduct business in spite of any gnashing teeth. It's in their own interest to allow anyone to use it, not just the politically correct folks. Think about why Patreon have allowed so many nsfw projects and known about it for so long, and is only now being reactive, instead of being proactive from the beginning.
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