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NEWS: 3 Men Arrested for Uploading One Piece Chapter to English Website (Updated)

karyuudo0127 wrote:

I feel bad for them. They were doing good for the community. Luckily piracy isn't killed so easily.

"good for the community" I'm sorry, what!?

You're making more of an argument for fan scanlations in general than for panda specifically.

Also, something we gloss over as we don't give a damn about it*. The delivery company employee. The leak in the supply chain. How it's entirely possible for a speed group to release 4 days earlier than the official street date.
There's just this really screwy feeling about it, on top of the guy clearly needing to lose his job. Significant difference in feel for me between that and some dude buying a copy from the store then scanning it.

*how much of it is the readership at large not knowing, versus how much not caring about the gap between speed release and official release?

It's gives those in the community who can't afford to buy manga/anime to have a chance to get it for free. I don't see a problem with this.

I'm not saying that no one should pay for anime / manga, but not everyone can afford to pay for anime / manga, or it's possible that it's not accessible in their country due to copyrights and other legal mumbo jumbo.

Honestly, piracy and illegal distribution of material has helped more than it had a negative effect on things. Take Rurouni Kenshin for example. If it were not for Hecto Fansubs / Shinsengumi Fansubs doing subs for it years before Media Blasters / ADV / Sentai got the rights for it, no one would have known about it.

karyuudo0127 wrote:

It's gives those in the community who can't afford to buy manga/anime to have a chance to get it for free. I don't see a problem with this. I'm not saying that no one should pay for anime / manga, but not everyone can afford to pay for anime / manga, or it's possible that it's not accessible in their country due to copyrights and other legal mumbo jumbo. Honestly, piracy and illegal distribution of material has helped more than it had a negative effect on things. Take Rurouni Kenshin for example. If it were not for Hecto Fansubs / Shinsengumi Fansubs doing subs for it years before Media Blasters / ADV / Sentai got the rights for it, no one would have known about it.

If only there were official legally sanctioned places that let people read manga for free or at low cost. I don't know, like maybe Crunchyroll* or ComicWalker or Viz's Weekly Shonen Jump...

*I know you have to subscribe to access previous chapters, but a month's CR subscription is cheaper than your average single volume of manga (or at least here in the UK it is).

As an Englishman, I get the lack of availability thing (although I'd personally just use a VPN to access a legal source), but the title in question is One Piece. Hardly the most obscure difficult to obtain title.

I find the argument that piracy helps more than it hurts a little beyond credibility. I accept that maybe it can help in certain situations, but for every one person that pirates the first episode then buys the DVD, there's probably 4 or 5 that pirate the entire series.

This sounds me like people desperately trying to justify their own crummy behaviour. How long until somebody brings out the "I won't buy manga, because not all of the money goes back to the artist" excuse (or does that only work with Crunchyroll)?

Let's look at this in another way. If your friend buys a manga, and then you want to borrow it to read it, should you be paying the artist again for the material? I would say no. Let's be honest, anyone downloading manga and anime will probably read / watch it once and then delete it because it takes up space on their PC. Generally most series are basically throw-aways and not even worth keeping.

karyuudo0127 wrote:

Let's look at this in another way. If your friend buys a manga, and then you want to borrow it to read it, should you be paying the artist again for the material? I would say no. Let's be honest, anyone downloading manga and anime will probably read / watch it once and then delete it because it takes up space on their PC. Generally most series are basically throw-aways and not even worth keeping.

So where can I buy these magical physical manga volumes that can be loaned out to thousands of people I don't actually know at a time, whilst I still keep the original copy without inconvenience?

Chances are that, at most, less than 10 people will ever read one copy of a physical volume of manga, and there's a degree of inconvenience involved in loaning it out to the other 9. It's not as easy and as instant as simply clicking a few links.

Somewhere wrote:

Good The topic of copyright infringement ethics aside, Mangapanda's a bottom of the barrel level option for desperate people lowering themselves a fair amount. Seriously, it takes swallowing quite a bit of one's pride to willingly consume such poor output.

I agree yeah not even I use it tho they are the only scan group that loves to release their shit early ( mangastream try its best to release their scans after Jump release them now so they don't have problems like they did before )

Also, something we gloss over as we don't give a damn about it*. The delivery company employee. The leak in the supply chain. How it's entirely possible for a speed group to release 4 days earlier than the official street date.
There's just this really screwy feeling about it, on top of the guy clearly needing to lose his job. Significant difference in feel for me between that and some dude buying a copy from the store then scanning it.

*how much of it is the readership at large not knowing, versus how much not caring about the gap between speed release and official release?

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Also, there is no have to pirate.
You don't need to follow a series to live. It's a case of you want to follow a series.
It's desire, not necessity. It's not unusual to desire; people want many things after all. But conflating the two is dishonest.

dark13 wrote:

Somewhere wrote: Good The topic of copyright infringement ethics aside, Mangapanda's a bottom of the barrel level option for desperate people lowering themselves a fair amount. Seriously, it takes swallowing quite a bit of one's pride to willingly consume such poor output. I agree yeah not even I use it tho they are the only scan group that loves to release their shit early ( mangastream try its best to release their scans after Jump release them now so they don't have problems like they did before )

That is completely false. Mangastream will always release before Jump.

Drunk Samurai wrote:

dark13 wrote: Somewhere wrote: Good The topic of copyright infringement ethics aside, Mangapanda's a bottom of the barrel level option for desperate people lowering themselves a fair amount. Seriously, it takes swallowing quite a bit of one's pride to willingly consume such poor output. I agree yeah not even I use it tho they are the only scan group that loves to release their shit early ( mangastream try its best to release their scans after Jump release them now so they don't have problems like they did before ) That is completely false. Mangastream will always release before Jump.

really ? I know for fairy tail and stuff its on not Fridays anymore and all of the jump stuff is on Thursday and not Wednesday so how is that false ?

Somewhere wrote:

Also, something we gloss over as we don't give a damn about it*. The delivery company employee. The leak in the supply chain. How it's entirely possible for a speed group to release 4 days earlier than the official street date. There's just this really screwy feeling about it, on top of the guy clearly needing to lose his job. Significant difference in feel for me between that and some dude buying a copy from the store then scanning it. *how much of it is the readership at large not knowing, versus how much not caring about the gap between speed release and official release? --- Also, there is no have to pirate. You don't need to follow a series to live. It's a case of you want to follow a series. It's desire, not necessity. It's not unusual to desire; people want many things after all. But conflating the two is dishonest.

okay so I had to read this 3 times just to make sure ( you make good points on some by the way ) I have to disagree,on there is no the have to pirate , some companies won't even bring the stuff people,want to see over here so in the end all you can do is pirate, so what else is there ?