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cyrax777
 Posts: 1825 Location: the desert |
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thh pain in the ass of legaly of backing up a dvd (in the us atleast) is doing it without cracking the encryption on it. doing so would violate DMCA its possible just almost every dvd backup tool out there techinally is not legal in the us. No one gives a dang right now atleast I haven't heard of a anyone getting nailed for making a backup copy(ie not distorubuting his backup to someone else). and cookie i haven't seen anything in the law that says I cant use my "backup" instead of the original. or if there is its probly a case of no one gives a dang. witch is the case because all the music cds I own I dont lug around the originals with to listen to in the car i use a burnt copy.
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cyrax777
Posts: 1825 Location: the desert |
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ie "Mass Naked Children" |
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kyuu
 Posts: 16 Location: Tampere, Finland |
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The thing is, fansubs then and fansubs now are two concepts. Back then being in VHS days.
Back then, morals were important. Most groups kept a close eye to make sure nobody made money ouf of them and licensed titles just wouldn't be distributed. Very often, quality went ahead of speed. Typos and so called "personal opinion influenced translations" weren't seen. While there are still groups who manage to live in the old style, the trend is changing. Fansub group members quietly sell off DVD's with their works for a "modest fee". Licensing doesn't seem to have much effect on distribution. The speed of a release is too important, average quality is poor, with many subtitles full of typos, presented in almost unreadable text quality (due to size/color/font, etc). And the translations too often just aren't accurate. On the other hand, official distributors (okay, let's not mention Viz here, they could ruin the best anime without much effort) seem to be feeling a bit more confident. Quality of the translations is more important and "questionable storyline elements" aren't translated into something softer anymore. Of course this news bit has a downside. There are some titles that just won't appear in USA at all. Waiting a year or two is hardly a problem, never getting the title is. The anime industry should find a solution to allow a cheaper licensing and publishing methods for titles that just don't attract a huge audience - at least not in the west. On a basic level, this seems like good business, I don't recall hearing Apple's Itunes going bankrupt. I'm sorry to say it, but there's no point in flaming the anime industry for doing this. Even if it's just a fraction of the fansubber groups who cause problems by starting to make profit and ignoring licensing matters, they're a big problem. In many ways, they're worse than systematic bootleg sellers - fansubbers still very rarely admit that they are in fact just software pirates, with (hopefully) higher morales. Yes, I know they can have a positive effect on sales. As a sidenote, a certain computer program called Windows 3.0 once became hugely popular mostly due to piracy. And in the end, fansubber groups take away the credibility of anime events and clubs who try to work hard to give anime and manga a credible look, instead of the old "downloadable japanese cartoon porn" -image many people still have. On the one hand, you have a load of people trying to keep clubs and run video nights with dvd's, trying to get more fans into it and more dvd importers operating in smaller countries. On the other, you've got groups claiming to be operating for the good of the community, busy killing the attempts of credibility. Fansubs had a huge part in anime coming to the west and I'm ready to thank many of the early fansubbers who took such a legal risk for the good of us all. But all good things really must come to an end. |
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beelzebozo
 Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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I couldn't agree more. But in order to break the habit, something comperable has to be offered. I'd be happier if they went after "real" bootleggers and their outlets. These bootleggers are ripping the R1s as well, so no fansub script is needed. These are far more illegal and far more damaging than fansubs because people without tech-savy can get them. There will always be a segment of the population that won't pay for "anything" if they can help it, but if you drive the bootleggers back underground, less and less people will be interested in trying to do the work for something "free". |
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Kazuki-san
 Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
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I don't see much difference unless you mean them ripping of the artwork as well, and giving you what is quite a bit of the time, very bad subs. I don't know about you, but I know plenty of people who can hardly turn a computer on that can download fansubs. It's not really difficult to figure out. Since it's impossible to get accurate numbers of downloads of fansubs vs. sales of boots, it's hard for me to prove to you that, at least in the US, fansubs are downloaded far more than boots are purchased. So instead I'll give you an example I can talk about. I have about 10 friends locally that watch Anime. Out of that 10, 1 actually seeks out boots to buy. The others accidentally bought one or two when they were n00bs. All 10 of them however, spend all day, everday downloading fansubs. |
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NomortaL
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I agree with most of the posts, however the really sucky thing about having no fansubs is not being able to preview it. Yeah, i can rent DVD #1 and it can be freakin awesome, but with many shows the quality goes down, or the show becomes uninteresting.
So when you buy DVD #1 and #2 you have just wasted $40 because #3 and #4 really suck. You wish you hadn't of bought #1 and #2 |
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Sword of Whedon
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Conventions, NewType, Anime Network, Toonami, TechTV/G4, Test-Drive DVDs, Netflix, no there's no way whatsoever to preview it. |
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sailor_titan
 Posts: 51 Location: Vermont |
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Alas, if only this were true. But I doubt I'll be seeing Brother, Dear Brother, Rose of Versailles, or Ace wo Narae over here in the US. They're just too old and obscure for anyone to care about. Even more recent shows I like, like Da! Da! Da!, Kero Kero Chime and Omajo DoReMi are really a crap shoot as to if they'll be licensed. Sure, shows like Kiddy Grade are gonna be snapped up, becaus those shows are guaranteed sellers. But there's still a lot of shows out there that are "risky". |
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Jetto
 Posts: 49 Location: Hattiesburg, MS |
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I see your point, but if the crap that is 'Kai Doh Maru' can get licensed, there's hope for all anime. 
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NomortaL
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sailor_titan
Posts: 51 Location: Vermont |
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There's also rentanime.com and greencine.com
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Kazuki-san
Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
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And why exactly would you be motivated to go buy the DVDs if you've already seen then entire series for free? I actually do, but most of the people I know wouldn't. As for Anime Network, ADV has said they will begin playing new shoes on it before they are released to DVD. |
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darkhunter
 Posts: 2992 Location: Los Angelas |
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Yup, i know quite a bit of people too. With college connection, the majority of them rather dl since it's free because bootleg would cost them money. People become spoiled sometimes.
So you expect to watch the entire show before you actually buy it and that's if you like it? Hell, do you expect to go to the movies, watch it for free with your girlfriend, and if you like it, you pay for it? "Preview" is just for you to get a glimpse of the show in hopes that you like it enough to buy it. At least that's what the studio hope you do. Also a lot can go based on review. I buy a lot of my video based on good review and I'm pleased with them. |
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Ranmah
 Posts: 294 Location: Stomp'n on Tokyo Tower |
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I agree with the Japanese Companies in this issue. I'm also an artist and I don't want my work to be pirated without my permission.
While I'm in Taiwan (one of the hot bed of Piracy in Asia). I'd rather buy the commerical legitament Region 3 DVD than the pirated one. I'm glad that Bandai and the rest of the Japanese Companies are doing something about. Weather this makes an impact in the piracy is a wait and see senario. Ranmah |
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Twage
Posts: 358 Location: North Bergen, NJ |
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A sticker? Whose bright idea was that? If Japan wants to cut into domestic piracy and HK bootlegs why don't they try lowering prices to somewhere near the realm of reality?
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