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Megiddo
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What does that really mean? Can't you say that about every single drama ever made? Is doing something "for an emotional impact" somehow wrong or underhanded? |
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Mohawk52
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Sunday Silence
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It already has been won. |
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Haterater
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Also in the camp of if it weren't for TV I wouldn't be an anime fan. The problem overall, I believe, is the range of advertisements. I feel as though streaming is more catering to those who are already anime fans than to try to bring new fans. You want to try to advertising outside the usual circle. The internet surfers who aren't even aware of anime and just go the "popular" sites or just have interests that will never lead them here.
Like how some novels and manga like Chi's Sweet Home, I can see advertising to cat owners and maybe they can have small adds on cat sites and the likes. Just spreading it out can help bring in the fans. |
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Moonsaber
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I guess I meant.. for an emotional impact rather than a sexual one? |
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CCSYueh
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Don't believe me if you want. No skin off my back. I've been an anime fan since about 2001-2002. In that time we've gone from a trickle of manga to a sea of it back down to a river. I was sitting in the Central Park Media panel when they announced the Be Beautiful line at SDCCI. We had no yaoi prior to that(ok-maybe Gravitation & Fake). I read the article on this site with the director of Digital Press where he says he was advised by some old dude in Japan to publish yaoi-it's not huge, but it's a steady, loyal audience. I've seen yaoi imprints come & go (801 is part of DMP which also has June. Blu is TP's yaoi imprint) We've apparently lost Deux & Net's been quiet forever as well as obviously Be Beautiful & Drama Queen are gone so it's not all been the bed of roses you seem to think for yaoi publishers. In those yrs, I usually read all the articles here on yaoi & yuri licensing-originally the yuri I wanted to see if they got the hate we always get on yaoi threads (crap! Porn! Whatever else we're insulting real manga fans with our habit it seems). Invariably the threads devoted to the licensing of yuri seem more particular in their tastes. Look at your dividing "real yuri" from what you deem porn. I cannot recall a single time I have seen a yaoi fan dismiss other yaoi as "porn". They may hate non-con or whatever, but they know exactly what they hate & they don't paint with a broad brush that all yaoi is this or that. You DO realize not all yaoi is porn. You do realize a lot of what comes to these shores is no worse than a bedroom scene on prime time tv. It is the emotions that drive many yaoi novels. I love the humorous stuff where we usually DON'T get smut, but it's a lot of fun watching the couple try to consumate their relationship but get interrupted every time or argue over who's on top or indulge in their fetishes. In All Nippon Air Lines I cannot remember any nudity, but I love the humor (one guy likes bald heads so he stands at the back of the plane & basically drools.)
And the reason we have all the options we have is it is a loyal fanbase. We support our publishers. The issue of Bleach 400 being read at a scan site wouldn't be an issue because the yaoi scan groups take titles down usually as soon as they are announced. Go on the boards of any yaoi fangroup & you will see this support voiced. No one else understands this about the yaoi groups, but overall(I'm sure there's some exceptions I'm unaware of), they are closer to the old fansub idea of a scratchy VHS passed around to spread the love of the story, not to promote the glory of the scan group. DMP can license a title knowing there is demand on the fanboards for it which represents actual sales. It has created a certain resentment toward the yaoi fans which is really unwarranted. We're hated because we get title after title licensed, while you long for "Yuri Girls in Love: Springtime in Tokyo" but it's because we BUY Vassalord, we DEVOUR Love Mode. We're up to Vol 5 on Ze with no end in sight to the couples. There IS a lot of overlapping-that one can mention title A & many others will recognise it so no, not everyone can buy everything, but we buy as much as we can. We largely don't complain about the prices we're charged because we're grateful to see it make these shores. I do note we get clumps of authors as though they notice who sells & grab more of that author's titles. It's like romance novels over here. There's a steady market for them so far as I can tell & that's really what yaoi is all about-romance & maybe some sex. Frankly, there are titles that are basically porn, but it goes by publisher. Kitty is largely hardcore. DMP's yaoi isn't. 801 is their hardcore imprint I believe. They apparently have written guidelines as to what passes for June, what goes to 801, etc. based on fluids, body parts, etc. Wild Adaptor is a TP imprint, but runs in Chara in Japan-a BL zine. Crimson Spell is either in Chara or the sister publication Chara selection but is licensed by MB/Kitty & does have way more nudity & sex, but both are most definitely yaoi. (actually shonen ai & yaoi are not the terms used. In Japan pretty much all those mags denote themselves as BL) There are male yaoi authors, just as there are female shonen authors. I love Kisaragi's stuff-he did one of Blood+ manga as well as The Gate which we got all of 1 volume from ADV and Innocent Bird from Blu. Last edited by CCSYueh on Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:40 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Megiddo
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You're right CCS, there is a ton of yaoi now. It's a big booming business.
But how about actually answering what the quote actually says? How about you take back what you said about yuri/shoujo-ai and realize that it hasn't been given anywhere near the chance that yaoi has? I'll answer for you: Licensed yuri/Shoujo-ai anime: Blue Drop, Kashimashi (gender switch), MariMite, Strawberry Panic , Kannazuki no Miko, Simoun, Puni Puni Poemy, Utena Wow! There's just so many titles! And if you want to talk manga the list becomes pathetically smaller. Last edited by Megiddo on Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:41 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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TarsTarkas
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Though I think I am a minority in this, I don't think streaming is going to be the future of anime.
While it is great for the companies to earn a little money on this, and for some consumers to taste a particular show, and especially for some international consumers who may have no other choice; streaming does have some problems. If you don't have a great internet service you are going to suck on HD, maybe even on regular viewing too. Anime show divided into segments, watching on a tiny window, and the damned buffering. Not to mention, many people in forums complain about the quality of the streaming video. Don't see why I should subscribe to a service to receive 'fair' quality video, when I can buy the DVD or BluRay. Don't get me wrong, streaming does service a purpose and there are many that swear by it for a variety of reasons, but it is not for me and I don't see a bright 'near' future for it. As more and more, video streaming services get piled on the internet and increasing numbers of consumers use these services you are going to get log jams. Mobile customers are already losing the unlimited bandwidth grail, and many ISP's are already publically, and secretively throttling bandwidth. This does not bode well for supremancy of the net for watching any video streaming service. Internet providers are seemingly moving in the direction of conservancy, rather than ramping up, to build up the internet infrastructure to support the every increasing demand for bandwidth. That aside, streaming is a nice idea for many, but I want my hard copy. |
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Hardgear
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Thank you for this, for the longest time I could have sworn I was the only one on the internet with that thought process. Downloading I can likely deal with, and digital copies are what I believe is likely the future of anime, but streaming can't compare. |
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HaruhiToy
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I don't really have a stake in the ground over this issue, but what do the two of you think of Apple's position on Blu-Ray support? Every day seems to serve up more confirmation that Apple will never support playing Blu-Ray discs. The main reason is apparently that the licensing of the media format is a can of worms, and if true i can understand Apple not wanting to get into that. What is more interesting is that they don't think it is worth the trouble to solve that problem, since their position is that sooner rather than later streaming content is going to take over everything and nobody but a niche market is going to care about owning physical media anymore. Look at what iTunes and its competitors have done to the CD market. As for anime, Crunchyroll has already demonstrated to me that I can get HD quality video (I have been following Occult Academy) that looks a lot better than any DVD. Although they don't support it I suppose I could scrape and store video files to keep, but more and more I wonder why bother. My guess is most anime is going to be marketed that way eventually, if not all of it. That's what has happened to the music industry pretty much. |
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vashfanatic
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@Megiddo:
Thank you for sparing me the effort of responding! But let me add one thing. CSSYueh, I know there is a wide variety of yaoi/BL out there. Where did I say otherwise? There's a variety (though lesser quantity) of yuri as well. But unlike yaoi and BL, none of that variety makes it stateside. You're very lucky to enjoy the genre you do, because you get ample opportunity to support it. Yuri fans, on the other hand, have very little to get, and almost all of a similar type, i.e. the schoolgirl romance/romantic friendship. That's fine, and some of them are good series, but they're not the kind I really want, and I'm not sure buying series I don't really want will ever get the ones I do want over here, period. I'm increasingly realizing that some of this stuff I will have to import, though I'm still uncertain of which site is the best for it. It seems as if they all have issues in terms of cost and ease of use. |
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CCSYueh
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We had My Sexual Harassment, Kizuna (no naughty parts), Level C (invisipenis) when I got into anime. The Fake OVA-did that have sex? I don't think so...Mirage of Blaze-aired on tv here-no sex-same for Descendants of Darkness. Loveless-no sex. Sukisho-no naughty parts. Did we get naughty parts in Gakuen Heaven? Blue Wolves apparently wasn't yaoi but allegedly an attempt to hit the actual homosexual audience, yet still attract the yaoi audience & considering Vol 2 was never made, looks like it failed. Sensual Pornograph-definitely smut but I love the artist's work. The Embracing Love OVA's. Junjyo Romantica. Oooo, they've brought over so much yaoi. By the way, Utena is supported in the yaoi community because the boys are in bed also. And if you're including hentai, there's Obari's Angel Blade. But yeah, you're right. For no reason whatsoever on earth publishers have unfairly decided to license & sell yaoi whether they're losing money or not. It's a huge conspiracy against yuri because obviously you yuri fans are buying yuri in as great numbers as those of us who buy yaoi. I don't doubt they're actually funneling your heard-earned yuri-buying cash into licensing more yaoi. Sorry. I need to get back to organizing the 6ft Billy bookcase I have full of the yaoi I've bought It's actually gone over into a second bookcase-at least 3 shelves. Books I've paid anywhere from $6 -$15 with most around $10 when I can get most other manga for less than $7. (I have about 3500 volumes of manga. I'm sure you've invested as much in supporting the publishers as I have) |
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jvowles
Otakon Representative
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That's a fine thought, but in practice it doesn't work. There are laws regarding graphic depiction of minors in sexual situations, and they ARE prosecuted. (Usually badly, and against the wrong people, for the wrong materials.) Worse, they create bad press for the industry and reinforce the stereotype we STILL have to fight that "anime is cartoon porn" when there's no real excuse for still thinking that. Here is what is relevant: Is it considered indecent enough to prevent it from being sold in bookstores? Is it clearly marked in such a way that indicates whether it's appropriate for minors? Because those things determine whether it'll sell enough copies to make the money back. |
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agila61
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WIth a functioning pair of goggles, the list expands a bit, but probably not all that much ... Aria, for example, where the googles need to be set to 8 or higher in Aria the Animation and by Aria the Natural need to be set higher than mine work on battery power alone. |
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agila61
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Streaming is easily spread by word of mouth on social media sites, because you can just drop a bit.ly ... but there have to be fans doing the spreading, because people won't be following / friends / etc. with the companies unless they are already watching anime. {MOD EDIT: We have a policy of avoiding multiple sequential posts by the same user. If you want to respond to several people, please learn to edit your answers together into a single post. It looks more elegant, and also allows you to pull several strands of conversation together, where relevant. -- abunai} |
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