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Alexander55
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 Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:21 am
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| Keonyn wrote: | | It's irrelevant how people got exposed to something. We all get exposed to things that see a flash of popularity on a nearly weekly basis. MLP however has shown that it has legs, and that people who have come to be fans for one reason or another have remained fans. Whether they got there because of a meme or because they saw the show on TV is pointless, they're still there none the less and it isn't the meme that is keeping them there at this point.
I was first introduced to the show because someone was talking about it in my gaming clans vent channel. I laughed it off at first because hey, it's "My Little Pony", which doesn't exactly come across as my demographic. I'm an open-minded guy though so when they said just give it a chance I did. It was okay at first, the first 2 being a bit cheesy but after that it came across as a well made show with good characters, good stories and a diverse appeal. I didn't like the show because of some stupid meme, and I can't say I've ever liked something because of a meme no matter how funny it was. I like the show because it's a quality show and it's entertaining.
Besides, is it really shocking that the only people who were fans of the show in that group prior to word of mouth spreading were people within the initial target demographic. I mean, that's no great revelation there. Obviously when something grows beyond its target audience it is because of a catalyst that brought attention from those outside what the show is marketed towards. Would the show have become as popular without those influences? Probably not, but that doesn't mean a thing other than that to grow an audience you need exposure, which is all 4chan and Youtube provided. Ultimately the fans stayed because of what they were exposed to, regardless of who brought them there. |
EVEN THE ANN's MODS ARE BRONIES TOO!? Seriously? What?
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Alright, I give up.
You people are like the Touhou fans of the Western world. You're really passionate about this whole thing. I mean in the sense that you've produced alot of fan deriatives, and what not of the MLP franchise just as Touhou's fans spunned a whole series of animation, novels, doujins and etc.
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lossthief
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:27 am
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For the sake of not continuing an argument about the show, I have a question: There's been a lot of talk since the dub was announced about whether MLP would do well in japan, but I was wondering what (if anything) the rather well known dub cast and now the manga being announced suggest about the company's expectations for it?
I'm not at all familiar with how Japanese companies generally go about promoting shows that they're bringing over, but I would think this is a sign they expect it to be successful, or at least that the merchandise will sell well.
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Alexander55
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:37 am
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| lossthief wrote: | | For the sake of not continuing an argument about the show, I have a question: There's been a lot of talk since the dub was announced about whether MLP would do well in japan, but I was wondering what (if anything) the rather well known dub cast and now the manga being announced suggest about the company's expectations for it?
I'm not at all familiar with how Japanese companies generally go about promoting shows that they're bringing over, but I would think this is a sign they expect it to be successful, or at least that the merchandise will sell well. |
Well it depends. For small children, it'll probably be. But if they wanted the series to become somehow successful with older audiences, they would need the help of the Western Bronies, Internet meme fanatics, and 4chan to somehow entice 2ch, and the Japanese otaku to dig it. But I'm not sure if that would be so successful...
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lossthief
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:54 am
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I wasn't really referring to any demographic or audience. More I was just wondering if what we've seen is indicative of them having confidence in the show/franchise catching on at all.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:05 am
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| RyanSaotome wrote: | |
It terrifies me to think that My Little Pony will technically be on topic for anime/manga forums all over the internet now. |
If we can discuss 2ch moeblob stuff, we can survive anything. 
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| einhorn303 wrote: | | Tolkein-esque plots |
>_> If Tolkien wasn't spinning in his grave already he is now with this comparison. |
With what anime/manga got away with already? Even Cthulhu stuff!
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The fact is, MLP is aimed at little girls. And over all, Pucchigumi is a magazine aimed at girls, and pretty much only girls (Pretty Rhythm manga, Barbie, etc. Magazines come with cute coin purses for little girls). |
And Jewelpet. Don't forget Jewelpet.
| Alexander55 wrote: | | What's so great about My Little Pony anyway? I saw it with my younger sister several times and it was meh. Sure the production quality was there and I won't deny it had quality voice actors. But beyond that, that's pretty much it. |
It's cute characters doing cute things. I hear rumors some people are into those kinda stuff.
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You people are like the Touhou fans of the Western world. You're really passionate about this whole thing. I mean in the sense that you've produced alot of fan deriatives, and what not of the MLP franchise just as Touhou's fans spunned a whole series of animation, novels, doujins and etc. |
Wait, ya have something against Touhou fans too? Because it became popular in the internet?
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Hypeathon
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:36 am
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| Alexander55 wrote: | | What's so great about My Little Pony anyway? |
Let me make it clear that what I'm about to say is me speaking for myself as to why I like the show so much. Having first heard of the show, I didn't get the appeal right away and waited until a few months to watch some episodes. By the time I finally got around to watching it, I realized that despite the fact it's technically a show marketed towards little girls, it did not feel so much like a little girls show. I didn't feel turned off to tune in to something else because it felt different from many other shows that target a really young, early elementary school-age audience, be it for girls or boys. I actually felt invested in the characters and what they were going through.
Now for the longest time, I could sense the show being different, but I couldn't pin-point exactly why it was so appealing to me (excluding for a moment that the show somehow spawned an overwhelmingly massive adult/young adult male audience). Then one day, I curiously read a review for the new Strawberry Shortcake series on Toonzone because I remember peeking at the show a while back and not liking it much. The review quoted a paragraph from Lauren Faust in an article on another site about how she felt working on the show and progressing from the way shows for girls have been for the longest time.
Not only were all of the messages she said she was trying to get across with the show were pretty much what I liked about the show, but I now appreciate even more the show itself and what Lauren Faust as an animator in the industry was trying to contribute to by making the show the way she did. To a lot of folks who watch either this, or superhero cartoons or anime or whatever seem to be interested in just being personally entertained according to the content and nothing else (in the case of adults/young adults, what personally entertaining to their exact age and nothing younger). I like to be entertained in what I watch, but I more-so care about how good the stories in what I watch are told and what the people behind telling these stories are trying to say. Whether it's intentional or not, what type of TV show one would make can contribute to other shows sending a certain message across media and that message broadly sent across media can affect how a society can think (theoretically speaking). Do you choose to help make something like the new Strawberry Shortcake series that contributes to the number of shows that have no other merit than to entertain the most naive of little girls according to gender sterotyping? Or do you choose to help make something like My Little Pony that aim to broaden the appeal beyond what society is use to thinking shows for little girls are pigeonholed as?
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ninjaclown
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:10 am
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Anime, MLP, it's all about merchandizing franchises. Because it's a business. It's almost like it never occurred to some of you.
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SquadmemberRitsu
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:33 am
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I've never gotten Bronies. From what I've seen of it, MLP just seems like another sub par kids show. But for some reason Miyuki Sawashiro's involvement makes me unable to get angry at all this coverage.
And before you bring out the argument, I could not care less about who it's aimed at. Especially now that I'm a huge Precure fan
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:51 am
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| zeo1fan wrote: | | Enjoying one thing more than the other doesn't make one worse than the other. Everyone has different tastes. (Though the fact that you enjoy moe drama leads me to believe you prefer more frank emotional drama than throwback cartoons) |
Clannad is a mature down-to-life drama aimed at mature animation fans and My Little Pony is a cartoon style slice-of-life aimed at a very young female demographic. If it weren't for 4chan/Youtube for popularizing the television show through a series of online memes, it would just be another cartoon show and nothing more. There wouldn't be such thing as a "Brony", a term the older male pony fans came up with that probably descended from 4chan as well. |
'Mature' and 'Down-To-Earth'? Clannad billabongs between manipulatively fetishized innocence and tragedy porn without any of the narrative structure of a tragedy to justify such. It's heavily Pathos over Logos (though it does have Ethos with regards to how to make a Moe series attractive to the people who'd enjoy it, dirty or no). Let's not pretend like Key is Takako Shimura here. CLANNAD is aimed at the type of anime fan who's squeamish about women to the point that they bury themselves in dating sims and tissue boxes to avoid feeling 'unclean'.
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grooven
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:25 am
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| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Alexander55 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | Enjoying one thing more than the other doesn't make one worse than the other. Everyone has different tastes. (Though the fact that you enjoy moe drama leads me to believe you prefer more frank emotional drama than throwback cartoons) |
Clannad is a mature down-to-life drama aimed at mature animation fans and My Little Pony is a cartoon style slice-of-life aimed at a very young female demographic. If it weren't for 4chan/Youtube for popularizing the television show through a series of online memes, it would just be another cartoon show and nothing more. There wouldn't be such thing as a "Brony", a term the older male pony fans came up with that probably descended from 4chan as well. |
'Mature' and 'Down-To-Earth'? Clannad billabongs between manipulatively fetishized innocence and tragedy porn without any of the narrative structure of a tragedy to justify such. It's heavily Pathos over Logos (though it does have Ethos with regards to how to make a Moe series attractive to the people who'd enjoy it, dirty or no).
Let's not pretend like Key is Takako Shimura here. CLANNAD is aimed at the type of anime fan who's squeamish about women to the point that they bury themselves in dating sims and tissue boxes to avoid feeling 'unclean'. |
Now, now let's not talk as if we know anything about KEY works here. It is obvious you have opinions but it is plainly obvious you haven't read these 100+ hour games which have quite a huge narrative behind them, with plenty of structure. Also, I'm a woman and I love KEY works. I like beautiful artwork and sad stories such as Oscar Wilde short stories and Hans Christian Anderson. I'm not burying myself in a dating sim. If you know the actual works you know there is much more to these games than it being a dating sim. Clannad can be down to earth, but it is fantasy and some elements are mature. But enough OT talk, it is MLP not Clannad or KEY here they are two very, very different things.
I am a My Little Pony collector, no not a Brony, an actual collector for more than 15+ years. I'm not too fond of the majority of the Brony community myself as they seem to dismiss and disregard anything previous to G4 (also a huge string of other problems too). However, I'm happy to see MLP cross with another of my interests. Seeing this licensed is nothing new to me. My Little Pony is very popular with Fairy Kei dress in Japan and it has obvious appeal to little girls. So it is natural that they would license it over there. Hell they even had something with Disney Princesses in Nakayoshi.
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M7AS Pilot
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:32 am
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Well, as a brony, I'm ecstatic to see this. I got into MLP because one of my friends said that it felt like an anime and that I'd enjoy it. It'll be interesting to see my experience with the show come full circle now that the Japanese are actually producing their own take on MLP. Also one can never argue against more pony 
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:49 am
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| grooven wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Alexander55 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | Enjoying one thing more than the other doesn't make one worse than the other. Everyone has different tastes. (Though the fact that you enjoy moe drama leads me to believe you prefer more frank emotional drama than throwback cartoons) |
Clannad is a mature down-to-life drama aimed at mature animation fans and My Little Pony is a cartoon style slice-of-life aimed at a very young female demographic. If it weren't for 4chan/Youtube for popularizing the television show through a series of online memes, it would just be another cartoon show and nothing more. There wouldn't be such thing as a "Brony", a term the older male pony fans came up with that probably descended from 4chan as well. |
'Mature' and 'Down-To-Earth'? Clannad billabongs between manipulatively fetishized innocence and tragedy porn without any of the narrative structure of a tragedy to justify such. It's heavily Pathos over Logos (though it does have Ethos with regards to how to make a Moe series attractive to the people who'd enjoy it, dirty or no).
Let's not pretend like Key is Takako Shimura here. CLANNAD is aimed at the type of anime fan who's squeamish about women to the point that they bury themselves in dating sims and tissue boxes to avoid feeling 'unclean'. |
Now, now let's not talk as if we know anything about KEY works here. It is obvious you have opinions but it is plainly obvious you haven't read these 100+ hour games which have quite a huge narrative behind them, with plenty of structure. Also, I'm a woman and I love KEY works. I like beautiful artwork and sad stories such as Oscar Wilde short stories and Hans Christian Anderson. I'm not burying myself in a dating sim. If you know the actual works you know there is much more to these games than it being a dating sim. Clannad can be down to earth, but it is fantasy and some elements are mature. But enough OT talk, it is MLP not Clannad or KEY here they are two very, very different things.
I am a My Little Pony collector, no not a Brony, an actual collector for more than 15+ years. I'm not too fond of the majority of the Brony community myself as they seem to dismiss and disregard anything previous to G4 (also a huge string of other problems too). However, I'm happy to see MLP cross with another of my interests. Seeing this licensed is nothing new to me. My Little Pony is very popular with Fairy Kei dress in Japan and it has obvious appeal to little girls. So it is natural that they would license it over there. Hell they even had something with Disney Princesses in Nakayoshi. |
You didn't disprove any of points. Women are just as capable of enjoying shallow, sexist entertainment as men are, sprawling plot or no. Hans Christian Andersen has also created stories with poor structure and unfortunate implications; a very poignant comparison, thank you. Beautiful music, pretty animation, and tons of crying don't give a story depth. Key appeals to squeamish otaku trying to hold onto their purity by fantasizing about girls who don't make them feel 'dirty'. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of cultural context? I understand there are men and women this side of the ocean who enjoy it cleanly, but that's not what it was made for.
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Apollo-kun
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:09 am
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| treadwell wrote: | | This is gonna be interesting. I wonder how the bronies will think of it.
Any chance it's gonna be the IDW comics translated to Japanese, or will it be all new? |
Well I for one am interested, however there are going to be a few Bronies who will most likely go into a fanboi rage over MLP being tainted by the impurity of anime/manga. |
Yeah, as a Brony, people who get all butthurt about treating the source material with perceived "respect" get on my nerves. On behalf of the rational fans of the show, I apologize for how idiotic some of the more... fervent fans get.
It's a show about cartoon ponies, not a religion, for crying out loud...
On topic, I'm pretty excited about this. People have been making "manga-style" (hate that term, but I don't what else to call it) ponies for a while, so seeing an official Japanese take is sure to be interesting![/i]
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opn
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:23 am
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| Soundmonkey44 wrote: |
| Fabe wrote: |
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| mewpudding101 wrote: |
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| StormSky92 wrote: | | I'm thinking more along the lines of why are they tainting anime/manga with the filth that is MLP. |
It terrifies me to think that My Little Pony will technically be on topic for anime/manga forums all over the internet now. |
I have to agree. I'm not a fan of MLP, and can't really understand those who like it, but if they want to be fans, fine. But it's not an anime. However, it is interesting that they are using such a prolific seiyuu cast. |
Yeah thats so weird, teens & adults liking cartoons with cutesy characters because that NEVER happens 
But in all honestly the irony of that statement and the hypocrisy of anime fans here & elsewhere bashing the show is enough to make me both laugh my flank off and depressingly sigh my lungs out at the same time.
Seriously though, no one else sees the irony or hypocrisy at all, nobody? OK then, i'll just be over eating my popcorn, sipping my lemonade & laughing. Continue with your silly nannery.[/img] |
I do,in fact I agree with any thing you posted. The anime fan who turn up their nose at My little pony but flock to shows aimed at the same audience makes me wounder just what they are thinking other them maybe 'Japanese/anime good. western/cartoon bad'. Of course I wounder about MLP fans who mock anime. |
Yeah, it always rubs me the wrong way, anime fans are so adimant about NOT JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVER and get soo mad when you judge an anime just by its appearance, synopsis, 1 epsiode, etc. But anything like MLP getting popular is automagically wrong and bad.
As a fan of animation in general I try to give everything a fair shake, sure I still have plenty of negative things to say about a lot of anime & cartoons, but I at least try to give something a chance before I go out and say a lot of negative things about it. But thats just me.
after all my motto is... Only thing worth bashing off the bat is realty TV! |
...Cole you do the exact same thing with every show staring cute girls. So you aren't the one to talk . Anyway i saw a episode of MLP a while back and thought it was decent but the shows fanbase makes me dislike it. Though i will watch the Japanese version if only for sawashiro.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:43 am
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| Apollo-kun wrote: |
| Fabe wrote: |
| treadwell wrote: | | This is gonna be interesting. I wonder how the bronies will think of it.
Any chance it's gonna be the IDW comics translated to Japanese, or will it be all new? |
Well I for one am interested, however there are going to be a few Bronies who will most likely go into a fanboi rage over MLP being tainted by the impurity of anime/manga. |
Yeah, as a Brony, people who get all butthurt about treating the source material with perceived "respect" get on my nerves. On behalf of the rational fans of the show, I apologize for how idiotic some of the more... fervent fans get.
It's a show about cartoon ponies, not a religion, for crying out loud...
On topic, I'm pretty excited about this. People have been making "manga-style" (hate that term, but I don't what else to call it) ponies for a while, so seeing an official Japanese take is sure to be interesting![/i] |
It reflects a more prominent need in society today to belong to a group (any group). For example, a large number of beliebers who consistently claim that Justin Bieber 'saves them', hiding the real person behind an ideal they want to project themselves onto and then getting hurt when he 'betrays' them by demonstrating he's a real human being, which let's them create a false, one-sided intimacy so as to consolidate their belonging even further. Poor guy is caught between his fanatical fans and his fanatical haters with very few rational people in the mix. Society hides its collectivism behind its purported individualism, but it's still there. Even the people who claim they aren't conforming are conforming to other people who claim they aren't conforming (hipsters). The advent of the internet and celebrity culture have served to further conform people to certain roles and groups, creating interesting problems for society.
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